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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jan 29, 2015 14:05:13 GMT -5
Nah, he still wouldn't have been ready. Although he was ready a year ago, according to the chants at the 2014 Rumble from the same kind of fans that are upset that he won in 2015. No way was he ready last year. Though his SUPER positive response at the end of the Rumble was similar to Rusev's this year in that the fans (whether they were right to feel that way or not) wanted someone besides the obvious winner to win. Granted he was far more popular last year, but the fans wanted Bryan or bust in 2014.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 14:10:27 GMT -5
I believe it could have only helped his cause at becoming the guy, but he would still have been getting boos regardless
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Post by Robert69 on Jan 29, 2015 14:19:45 GMT -5
It would not have been as bad I think. As some have said, people were upset that he's handpicked by the machine and not someone the crowd organically liked. Because that would be bad wouldn't it? However, a lot of the fans, like myself, whose biggest issue is that he's not ready, might have a different tune. He would have had the NOC match with Seth Rollins, probably a singles match at Hell in a Cell and maybe been part of the Team Cena match before another singles match TLC. Granted that's still not a lot for someone to main event WrestleMania, but it is miles better than him having just ONE decent Pay-Per-View match under his belt. Working with the likes of Seth Rollins, John Cena and Dolph Ziggler, who all know what they're doing in the ring, could have greatly benefit him. I think this is accurate. While there ARE fans who do hate him, just because he's not Bryan/Ambrose/Rollins...there are just as many, if not more, who simply don't think he's ready yet. As we've seen with Rollins, in particular...nearly 4 months is a whole lot of time to evolve in this industry. I think a lot of those fans (like ^Kev) wouldn't be nearly as harsh, right now. Take this past Monday Night, for instance. That final interview of the night not only silenced quite a few of his detractors, but some even praised him, on here. Now extrapolate that over the past 4 months that he missed?... Dude has all the potential in the world, and most wont take that away from him, but you can totally understand the issues with him being shoved in our faces. Hell, I'm one of his biggest supporters, and even I think it's a bit much. Even as a fan, I think he DESPERATELY needed those few months back, to grow, and evolve. If only for storyline purposes. Had neither he, or Bryan, left, the way things played out would have been much different, and Roman winning the Rumble this past weekend would not have been sh*t on, so heavily.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Jan 29, 2015 14:22:02 GMT -5
Nah, he still wouldn't have been ready. Although he was ready a year ago, according to the chants at the 2014 Rumble from the same kind of fans that are upset that he won in 2015. No way was he ready last year. Though his SUPER positive response at the end of the Rumble was similar to Rusev's this year in that the fans (whether they were right to feel that way or not) wanted someone besides the obvious winner to win. Granted he was far more popular last year, but the fans wanted Bryan or bust in 2014. So we shouldn't trust the chants?
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jan 29, 2015 14:30:18 GMT -5
No way was he ready last year. Though his SUPER positive response at the end of the Rumble was similar to Rusev's this year in that the fans (whether they were right to feel that way or not) wanted someone besides the obvious winner to win. Granted he was far more popular last year, but the fans wanted Bryan or bust in 2014. So we shouldn't trust the chants? The chants when the only choices were Batista and Roman Reigns? No. The chants when it was only Rusev and Roman Reigns? No. So there's your answer before you jump into "We shouldn't trust the chants so let's forget about Daniel Bryan getting chants" or something along those lines, which we all expect.
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Post by J12 on Jan 29, 2015 14:30:24 GMT -5
The "people wanted him to win last year" argument is so silly to me. They were just cheering for whoever was opposite of Batista. At that point it was no longer about cheering people you like, it was just about being disruptive. Jinder Mahal could've been in the ring with Batista and they would have cheered him. It's the same thing as cheering Rusev this year. That's clear as day.
But the screaming fans can't physically convey "WE'RE JUST CHEERING YOU BECAUSE WE HATE HIM", so of course its going to be used as a counterpoint to any argument against Reigns.
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Post by Robert69 on Jan 29, 2015 14:40:11 GMT -5
The "people wanted him to win last year" argument is so silly to me. They were just cheering for whoever was opposite of Batista. At that point it was no longer about cheering people you like, it was just about being disruptive. Jinder Mahal could've been in the ring with Batista and they would have cheered him. It's the same thing as cheering Rusev this year. That's clear as day. But the screaming fans can't physically convey "WE'RE JUST CHEERING YOU BECAUSE WE HATE HIM", so of course its going to be used as a counterpoint to any argument against Reigns. To be fair, in re-watching last year's RR, Reigns was being cheered long before he was the only one left in the ring, with Batista. That may have been a factor, but I don't think it was the main one. He went from entering the match, to setting a record, and getting just there, against Batista. It felt natural; it felt real; and you believed he had a chance. This year? They have him enter the match, and he basically stands in the corner with Wyatt, until it's time for Bray to go over the top rope. Then he wins the match. The entire way the last two Rumbles played out were entirely ridiculous, when compared to one another.
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Post by J12 on Jan 29, 2015 14:49:48 GMT -5
The "people wanted him to win last year" argument is so silly to me. They were just cheering for whoever was opposite of Batista. At that point it was no longer about cheering people you like, it was just about being disruptive. Jinder Mahal could've been in the ring with Batista and they would have cheered him. It's the same thing as cheering Rusev this year. That's clear as day. But the screaming fans can't physically convey "WE'RE JUST CHEERING YOU BECAUSE WE HATE HIM", so of course its going to be used as a counterpoint to any argument against Reigns. To be fair, in re-watching last year's RR, Reigns was being cheered long before he was the only one left in the ring, with Batista. That may have been a factor, but I don't think it was the main one. He went from entering the match, to setting a record, and getting just there, against Batista. It felt natural; it felt real; and you believed he had a chance. This year? They have him enter the match, and he basically stands in the corner with Wyatt, until it's time for Bray to go over the top rope. Then he wins the match. The entire way the last two Rumbles played out were entirely ridiculous, when compared to one another. There's no question that people liked Roman Reigns last year. The Shield was hugely over. They were right on the cusp of their face turn, all the stars were aligned for those guys to get a positive reaction. I'm more referring specifically to the end game in that match. Who Batista was up against was entirely irrelevant, the crowd, at that point, had just shifted into a disruptive state. They knew Batista was winning, and they were rejecting it. You're absolutely right, though, the booking in this Rumble exacerbated an already bad situation. It couldn't possibly have been handled any worse. It's so inherently clear that the only thing they planned for was Reigns. There was no attention paid to anything else, and it showed. From the disheveled nature of the commentary team, to unceremonious eliminations of the most over guys on the roster, to that absolutely hideous final three situation. It was all just abysmal. That's the most amazing thing about this situation - it's even bigger than last year. There were plenty of people who stuck up for what WWE pulled at the Rumble last year. I have yet to find a single person who didn't have some major gripe about the Rumble this year. If they didn't care about Roman winning, they, at the very least, were upset with the way it went down. It's just bad.
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Post by Robert69 on Jan 29, 2015 15:34:58 GMT -5
To be fair, in re-watching last year's RR, Reigns was being cheered long before he was the only one left in the ring, with Batista. That may have been a factor, but I don't think it was the main one. He went from entering the match, to setting a record, and getting just there, against Batista. It felt natural; it felt real; and you believed he had a chance. This year? They have him enter the match, and he basically stands in the corner with Wyatt, until it's time for Bray to go over the top rope. Then he wins the match. The entire way the last two Rumbles played out were entirely ridiculous, when compared to one another. There's no question that people liked Roman Reigns last year. The Shield was hugely over. They were right on the cusp of their face turn, all the stars were aligned for those guys to get a positive reaction. I'm more referring specifically to the end game in that match. Who Batista was up against was entirely irrelevant, the crowd, at that point, had just shifted into a disruptive state. They knew Batista was winning, and they were rejecting it. You're absolutely right, though, the booking in this Rumble exacerbated an already bad situation. It couldn't possibly have been handled any worse. It's so inherently clear that the only thing they planned for was Reigns. There was no attention paid to anything else, and it showed. From the disheveled nature of the commentary team, to unceremonious eliminations of the most over guys on the roster, to that absolutely hideous final three situation. It was all just abysmal. That's the most amazing thing about this situation - it's even bigger than last year. There were plenty of people who stuck up for what WWE pulled at the Rumble last year. I have yet to find a single person who didn't have some major gripe about the Rumble this year. If they didn't care about Roman winning, they, at the very least, were upset with the way it went down. It's just bad. I was happy that Roman won. HOW he won, is an entirely different issue. Bray Wyatt carried the f**king Rumble. Then he's just tossed out, Bryan was tossed out in a manner that basically just gave a middle finger to the audience, in a "We'll do what we want to do" manner. Ambrose, and Ziggler were ENTIRELY wasted. Hell, even Kofi's annual "NICE!" moment was weak. It's like they woke up Sunday morning, and everyone was like "...weren't we supposed to do something, tonight?" "Put on one of our Top 3 PPVs of the Year?" "...OH YEAHHHHH!!!" Which is why I can't blame Reigns. He's just the one they chose. If they walked up to Hornswoggle and said "You're going to be the next #1 guy for us" -- you think he's gonna be like "maybe you should go with someone else? I need some more time." Nah. He's gonna be like "I'll do my absolute best. Thanks for the gig." I can only hope they don't half ass their main show in a couple months. They fixed the problem last year. Monday night's last interview was a good start at fixing this one. They can salvage Roman, but -- I hope like hell they do it quickly, for his sake. Dude's not GREAT right now. But he certainly doesn't deserve what they've dumped on him.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Jan 29, 2015 15:35:41 GMT -5
it was just about being disruptive. Exactly -- and really, that's a large part of the reason people chant for Daniel Bryan in the first place. "Because Vince doesn't want us to like him."
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Post by J12 on Jan 29, 2015 16:22:08 GMT -5
There's no question that people liked Roman Reigns last year. The Shield was hugely over. They were right on the cusp of their face turn, all the stars were aligned for those guys to get a positive reaction. I'm more referring specifically to the end game in that match. Who Batista was up against was entirely irrelevant, the crowd, at that point, had just shifted into a disruptive state. They knew Batista was winning, and they were rejecting it. You're absolutely right, though, the booking in this Rumble exacerbated an already bad situation. It couldn't possibly have been handled any worse. It's so inherently clear that the only thing they planned for was Reigns. There was no attention paid to anything else, and it showed. From the disheveled nature of the commentary team, to unceremonious eliminations of the most over guys on the roster, to that absolutely hideous final three situation. It was all just abysmal. That's the most amazing thing about this situation - it's even bigger than last year. There were plenty of people who stuck up for what WWE pulled at the Rumble last year. I have yet to find a single person who didn't have some major gripe about the Rumble this year. If they didn't care about Roman winning, they, at the very least, were upset with the way it went down. It's just bad. I was happy that Roman won. HOW he won, is an entirely different issue. Bray Wyatt carried the f**king Rumble. Then he's just tossed out, Bryan was tossed out in a manner that basically just gave a middle finger to the audience, in a "We'll do what we want to do" manner. Ambrose, and Ziggler were ENTIRELY wasted. Hell, even Kofi's annual "NICE!" moment was weak. It's like they woke up Sunday morning, and everyone was like "...weren't we supposed to do something, tonight?" "Put on one of our Top 3 PPVs of the Year?" "...OH YEAHHHHH!!!" Which is why I can't blame Reigns. He's just the one they chose. If they walked up to Hornswoggle and said "You're going to be the next #1 guy for us" -- you think he's gonna be like "maybe you should go with someone else? I need some more time." Nah. He's gonna be like "I'll do my absolute best. Thanks for the gig." I can only hope they don't half ass their main show in a couple months. They fixed the problem last year. Monday night's last interview was a good start at fixing this one. They can salvage Roman, but -- I hope like hell they do it quickly, for his sake. Dude's not GREAT right now. But he certainly doesn't deserve what they've dumped on him. Your gripes are more or less in line with mine. I absolutely hate it when guys have a huge showing and then just get thrown out like they're nobodies. Wyatt is the ultimate example of that this year.
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Jan 29, 2015 17:29:43 GMT -5
If he put on some killer mayches.in that period it would have helped but who knows.
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Post by famdamuxwl on Jan 29, 2015 18:06:32 GMT -5
Alright it's time to change the name of this board. From Pro-Wrestling - WWE to Pro Wrestling - Roman Reigns board. So many Roman Reigns topics dang! lol
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Post by Word™ on Jan 29, 2015 18:16:06 GMT -5
We were told for months Batista would win the Rumble.. We were told for months that Reigns would win the Rumble..
I would just like it if one year, we didn't already know who was going to win the Royal Rumble MONTHS before the Rumble.. All the joy of the Royal Rumble has been sucked out of it, because it's no longer months of speculation it's months of spoiling the Rumble match.
That's why people were upset.. Because they already knew the outcome..
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Post by Hulk Who? on Jan 29, 2015 18:16:14 GMT -5
Alright it's time to change the name of this board. From Pro-Wrestling - WWE to Pro Wrestling - Roman Reigns board. So many Roman Reigns topics dang! lol r/squared circle did change their name to Roman Reigns, at least for the week.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 18:39:33 GMT -5
I can only speak from my personal perspective, and I can tell you with certainty that I would likely have been far more on board with Roman's win had he not been hurt for nearly four months. In fact, when Reigns was touted as the potential Rumble winner last summer, I was all for it. It's when he got hurt that my tune changed, because he desperately needed that time to improve, and I thought WWE would feel the same way. Look at it this way - we've really only had about 4 months of "getting to know" Roman Reigns post-Shield, whereas we've had around 7 months with Rollins and Ambrose. Look at how much those two guys have improved during that time. It's only fair to assume that Roman could have made similar improvements. Granted, he was nowhere near operating at Seth and Dean's level when the Shield split, but I'm confident he'd have been in a more conducive place than he is now. At the very least, a place where it wouldn't feel rushed betting the farm on him. Definitely agree with all of this. To add, I think if Bryan had been booked better (didn't have to win) then the crowd wouldn't have crap all over Reigns.
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Post by BulletV1 on Jan 29, 2015 19:02:27 GMT -5
No. The boos generally stemmed from Roman being a guy picked by the machine. He was, at one time an internet darling until that fact became known. He wasn't an internet darling. The Shield was. Huge difference.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 19:15:15 GMT -5
Alright it's time to change the name of this board. From Pro-Wrestling - WWE to Pro Wrestling - Roman Reigns board. So many Roman Reigns topics dang! lol There are 2 topics about Reigns on the front page. Most topics are getting turned into Reigns hate threads though. that or they are being manipulated by the smark crowd here into hate threads.
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Post by facemeat on Jan 29, 2015 19:34:39 GMT -5
If anything, I think the reaction may have been worse had he not gotten injured. Remember, when he left, he was just entering a program with Rollins...who he most likely would have steamrolled, just like he would have with the guy after that, and the guy after that. I feel like people would have gotten sick of that pretty quickly, and it would have been even more blatantly obvious what direction they were headed in.
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Post by Boy Wonder on Jan 29, 2015 19:47:12 GMT -5
If anything he should have gotten better during his time off. But he still sucks in the ring and is a joke on the mic.
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