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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jan 28, 2015 22:18:48 GMT -5
Look, I think we are all in agreement that WWE has hand picked Roman Reigns to be the next "guy". They've made their decision and they are going to do it no matter what the crowd reaction or how green he is.
But do you guys think that bringing back Daniel Bryan for the Royal Rumble contributed to the negative reaction Roman Reigns received? WWE should have learned their lesson from last year, and if they wanted ANY chance in hell of getting Roman Reigns over, they should have kept Daniel Bryan as far away from the match as possible. His presence in the Royal Rumble did nothing but cause the fans to react negatively toward Roman.
SO my question is...did WWE make a mistake? Would Roman Reigns have gotten a different reaction if Daniel Bryan had not yet been activated and wasn't even an option?
Obviously we have no idea where this is going, but for an event that Daniel Bryan did NOT win at, it sure seemed pointless to bring him back for it. His random matches on TV against Authority members have been very enjoyable, but big picture-wise, I don't think it was worth it, because they very well might have RUINED Roman Reigns in the process.
Roman Reigns was going to get exposed for how green he is on the mic and in the ring anyway....all they did by having him win while Bryan was active is ANGER the fans, and now people are going to actually LOOKING for reasons to doubt Roman Reigns. I think if so many people weren't angry about Bryan not winning they might not be as aware of Roman Reigns many many weaknesses.
Your thoughts?
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Post by Mox on Jan 28, 2015 22:24:18 GMT -5
I definitely think they should have waited.
His return has been one big flubby dud.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 22:24:31 GMT -5
He still would have been booed but the fans wouldn't have shat on the rest of the match and his boos wouldn't have been AS bad as they were
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 22:26:43 GMT -5
If he had returned at the rumble, the boos probably would've been even LOUDER.
Edit: Read the post wrong. Yeah, they should've waited for sure.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Jan 28, 2015 22:29:02 GMT -5
Without a doubt, the WWE should have waited for Daniel Bryan to come back. Had he not been in the Royal Rumble match, the crowd reaction towards Roman Reigns would have been different. Listen to when Chris Jericho had Dave Meltzer on Talk Is Jericho today and Steve Austin had Wade Keller on yesterday.
The primary issue with Reigns is he has not paid his dues yet to be a main event guy. The machine is trying to force feed Reigns to everybody and it is leaving the fans irate. The more irate people are, the more vocal their going to be.
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Post by The neferious brotha Hargrove on Jan 28, 2015 22:35:43 GMT -5
You bring up a really great point , they shouldn't have had Bryan come back at RR and especially have him come on raw and announce his coming back when no one expected him to come back any time soon thats bad booking , I'm a Daniel Bryan fan but i didnt expect to even him to be back until after wrestlemania it would gave Roman his moment to shine then at summerslam have Dbry have his second big moment before Daniel Bryan announce he was coming back at the royal rumble people were fine with Roman winning but once WWE put that little idea in are mind that Daniel had a chance win that gave the true " fans " a reason to jump off the Roman bandwagon.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jan 28, 2015 22:36:33 GMT -5
Without a doubt, the WWE should have waited for Daniel Bryan to come back. Had he not been in the Royal Rumble match, the crowd reaction towards Roman Reigns would have been different. Listen to when Chris Jericho had Dave Meltzer on Talk Is Jericho today and Steve Austin had Wade Keller on yesterday. The primary issue with Reigns is he has not paid his dues yet to be a main event guy. The machine is trying to force feed Reigns to everybody and it is leaving the fans irate. The more irate people are, the more vocal their going to be. I agree. As soon as Bryan got eliminated, it took the whole air out of the building. Going into this match, everyone was pretty much agreed on that there were only two options to win the Rumble. Bryan, and Reigns. As soon as Bryan was out as early as he was, everyone knew what the end result was going to be. And having the last 4 guys be Reigns, Rusev, Kane, and Big Show.....that was about as little suspense as you could possibly create. Obviously Kane and Big show stood NO CHANCE to main event Mania, and Rusev was hiding under the ring and only would have been an option had John Cena won the Title earlier in the night. Like I've said in other threads.....Roman Reigns has never won a singles match of any significance. His biggest win to date was Orton at SummerSlam and Reigns did NOT perform well in that match. I think if he fights Lesnar one-on-one at Mania, we are going to be looking at a Regal vs. Goldberg situation where Lesnar is going to embarrass him because Reigns just isn't going to be able to keep up. Reigns is still going to win, but he's going to look AWFUL doing it. |
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Jan 28, 2015 22:44:55 GMT -5
Without a doubt, the WWE should have waited for Daniel Bryan to come back. Had he not been in the Royal Rumble match, the crowd reaction towards Roman Reigns would have been different. Listen to when Chris Jericho had Dave Meltzer on Talk Is Jericho today and Steve Austin had Wade Keller on yesterday. The primary issue with Reigns is he has not paid his dues yet to be a main event guy. The machine is trying to force feed Reigns to everybody and it is leaving the fans irate. The more irate people are, the more vocal their going to be. I agree. As soon as Bryan got eliminated, it took the whole air out of the building. Going into this match, everyone was pretty much agreed on that there were only two options to win the Rumble. Bryan, and Reigns. As soon as Bryan was out as early as he was, everyone knew what the end result was going to be. And having the last 4 guys be Reigns, Rusev, Kane, and Big Show.....that was about as little suspense as you could possibly create. Obviously Kane and Big show stood NO CHANCE to main event Mania, and Rusev was hiding under the ring and only would have been an option had John Cena won the Title earlier in the night. Like I've said in other threads.....Roman Reigns has never won a singles match of any significance. His biggest win to date was Orton at SummerSlam and Reigns did NOT perform well in that match. I think if he fights Lesnar one-on-one at Mania, we are going to be looking at a Regal vs. Goldberg situation where Lesnar is going to embarrass him because Reigns just isn't going to be able to keep up. Reigns is still going to win, but he's going to look AWFUL doing it. After reading this, I don't even want to know what the WWE has Planned for 'Mania this year. One of the issues with Roman Reigns is his ascension is being forced down everybody's throats. When John Cena was having his ascension, it felt organic. One of the reasons why the fans gravitate towards Daniel Bryan is because his is one of the most organic things to happen in the last five years. I shake my head realizing Reigns only has one single PPV match under his belt. The match with Reigns and Randy Orton wasn't all that good. It is telling how much can change in a year. Last year, Reigns was getting cheered. Now, the fans are ****ing pissed off and are booing Reigns out of the building. |
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Post by theMOESIAH on Jan 28, 2015 23:01:42 GMT -5
I posted about this the night he made his return announcement. HUGE missed opportunity.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jan 28, 2015 23:01:44 GMT -5
I agree. As soon as Bryan got eliminated, it took the whole air out of the building. Going into this match, everyone was pretty much agreed on that there were only two options to win the Rumble. Bryan, and Reigns. As soon as Bryan was out as early as he was, everyone knew what the end result was going to be. And having the last 4 guys be Reigns, Rusev, Kane, and Big Show.....that was about as little suspense as you could possibly create. Obviously Kane and Big show stood NO CHANCE to main event Mania, and Rusev was hiding under the ring and only would have been an option had John Cena won the Title earlier in the night. Like I've said in other threads.....Roman Reigns has never won a singles match of any significance. His biggest win to date was Orton at SummerSlam and Reigns did NOT perform well in that match. I think if he fights Lesnar one-on-one at Mania, we are going to be looking at a Regal vs. Goldberg situation where Lesnar is going to embarrass him because Reigns just isn't going to be able to keep up. Reigns is still going to win, but he's going to look AWFUL doing it. After reading this, I don't even want to know what the WWE has Planned for 'Mania this year. One of the issues with Roman Reigns is his ascension is being forced down everybody's throats. When John Cena was having his ascension, it felt organic. One of the reasons why the fans gravitate towards Daniel Bryan is because his is one of the most organic things to happen in the last five years. I shake my head realizing Reigns only has one single PPV match under his belt. The match with Reigns and Randy Orton wasn't all that good. It is telling how much can change in a year. Last year, Reigns was getting cheered. Now, the fans are ****ing pissed off and are booing Reigns out of the building. WWE doesn't build guys up anymore. It used to take years for guys to get to the Main Event and get World Titles. By the time a guy was in WWF/WWE for 4+ years, the fans were emotionally invested in the character and actually cared about them. I think a lot of the problem with this is that WWE does not use the IC title effectively anymore. The IC Title used to be a star maker, and a lot of times the IC Champ was having better matches than the World Champ. WWE is bypassing this step now and having their hand picked guys go straight to the main event with no build up and using the IC Title as a mid card belt again. Instead, Roman Reigns is going to be WWE World Heavyweight Champion having won very few singles matches in his career. |
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Jan 28, 2015 23:08:52 GMT -5
After reading this, I don't even want to know what the WWE has Planned for 'Mania this year. One of the issues with Roman Reigns is his ascension is being forced down everybody's throats. When John Cena was having his ascension, it felt organic. One of the reasons why the fans gravitate towards Daniel Bryan is because his is one of the most organic things to happen in the last five years. I shake my head realizing Reigns only has one single PPV match under his belt. The match with Reigns and Randy Orton wasn't all that good. It is telling how much can change in a year. Last year, Reigns was getting cheered. Now, the fans are ****ing pissed off and are booing Reigns out of the building. WWE doesn't build guys up anymore. It used to take years for guys to get to the Main Event and get World Titles. By the time a guy was in WWF/WWE for 4+ years, the fans were emotionally invested in the character and actually cared about them. I think a lot of the problem with this is that WWE does not use the IC title effectively anymore. The IC Title used to be a star maker, and a lot of times the IC Champ was having better matches than the World Champ. WWE is bypassing this step now and having their hand picked guys go straight to the main event with no build up and using the IC Title as a mid card belt again. Instead, Roman Reigns is going to be WWE World Heavyweight Champion having won very few singles matches in his career. You are definitely right about the not building up guys like they used to. The machine expects guys to get over after giving them the World Title (Alberto Del Rio comes to mind). It is sad to see that many guys are so over exposed. Roman Reigns is no exception. Nothing is ever kept special anymore. Over exposure is never a good thing. The lower tier championships doesn't mean much anymore. |
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jan 28, 2015 23:16:51 GMT -5
WWE doesn't build guys up anymore. It used to take years for guys to get to the Main Event and get World Titles. By the time a guy was in WWF/WWE for 4+ years, the fans were emotionally invested in the character and actually cared about them. I think a lot of the problem with this is that WWE does not use the IC title effectively anymore. The IC Title used to be a star maker, and a lot of times the IC Champ was having better matches than the World Champ. WWE is bypassing this step now and having their hand picked guys go straight to the main event with no build up and using the IC Title as a mid card belt again. Instead, Roman Reigns is going to be WWE World Heavyweight Champion having won very few singles matches in his career. You are definitely right about the not building up guys like they used to. The machine expects guys to get over after giving them the World Title (Alberto Del Rio comes to mind). It is sad to see that many guys are so over exposed. Roman Reigns is no exception. Nothing is ever kept special anymore. Over exposure is never a good thing. The lower tier championships doesn't mean much anymore. Remember when guys like Sting, Ric Flair, Steamboat, and Dusty Rhodes were US Champion? And guys like Razor, Bret Hart, Diesel, HBK, Perfect, and Piper were IC Champ? Now, a rookie can debut, win those titles within a few weeks, and nobody gives a crap and the belts aren't even treated as important or even defended. Rusev doesn't defend the belt! And the IC Title gets hot shotted around too much. |
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Jan 28, 2015 23:22:34 GMT -5
You are definitely right about the not building up guys like they used to. The machine expects guys to get over after giving them the World Title (Alberto Del Rio comes to mind). It is sad to see that many guys are so over exposed. Roman Reigns is no exception. Nothing is ever kept special anymore. Over exposure is never a good thing. The lower tier championships doesn't mean much anymore. Remember when guys like Sting, Ric Flair, Steamboat, and Dusty Rhodes were US Champion? And guys like Razor, Bret Hart, Diesel, HBK, Perfect, and Piper were IC Champ? Now, a rookie can debut, win those titles within a few weeks, and nobody gives a crap and the belts aren't even treated as important or even defended. Rusev doesn't defend the belt! And the IC Title gets hot shotted around too much. Hot shotting things is a huge detriment. I remember the days when championships meant something. It is sad that championships are uses more as a prop than anything else. Going back to Daniel Bryan here. Bryan is one of those acts who the fans want to pay money and seeing. These days, the fan's go to the shows to entertain themselves. The Royal Rumble in Philadelphia is no exception. |
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jan 28, 2015 23:22:52 GMT -5
I discuss it in the article on my blog which you can read under my sig. Cheap plug
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 23:25:06 GMT -5
But isnt Daniel Bryan Already A Top Guy? There's only a handful of people that can say they defeated John Cena and also HHH,Randy Orton and Batista especially in one night.
He already had his big Moment its time for him to lay back a little and just have small feuds until its time again.
As far as the rumble goes maybe but he shouldn't have won the rumble anyways.I honestly don't know what they can do with daniel bryan but he definitely shouldn't main event wm this year.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jan 28, 2015 23:46:28 GMT -5
But isnt Daniel Bryan Already A Top Guy? There's only a handful of people that can say they defeated John Cena and also HHH,Randy Orton and Batista especially in one night. He already had his big Moment its time for him to lay back a little and just have small feuds until its time again. As far as the rumble goes maybe but he shouldn't have won the rumble anyways.I honestly don't know what they can do with daniel bryan but he definitely shouldn't main event wm this year. True....it can be said that Daniel Bryan has had his moment. However, it can also be said that due to injury, Daniel Bryan never got a real run with the WWE Title. I think having Daniel Bryan "repeat" by winning the belt at Wrestlemania would have been a great story...not only overcoming his storyline issues with the Authority trying to hold him down, but by overcoming a potential career ending injury. It truly is a miracle he's even wrestling. I think it would have been smart to go with Daniel Bryan. A) Daniel Bryan deserves it, beause as I said, the injury prevented him from actually having a run once he got the belt. And B) It gives Roman Reigns more time to develop. The more they push Roman Reigns down everybody's throat, the more and more he is going to be rejected. If they want him to ever be a big star, he needs to have his organic development just like anybody else who's ever made it. These hand picked guys who get thrust into the spot light rarely ever make it. When you force something, you can only fake it for so long before it gets exposed.....this is what will happen to Roman Reigns. They are sending him out there and acting like he's somethign he's not. Don't get me wrong....I like Roman Reigns. I really do. I think he's a great kid, he clearly has a love for the business, he understands his heritage and wrestling is in his blood. He seems like a great guy, and for all this crap that's being talked about him, at the end of the day he's just doing what he's told. I actually think he does have what it takes to be a star....but I just don't think he's ready. It's just the wrong opponent and the wrong time. He's just not established enough to be believable that he stands a chance against Brock Lesnar. Add that to the fact that he's clearly uncomfortable talking....it's just all wrong. Like I siad....Wrestlemania is going to be ugly. Roman Riegns vs. Brock Lesnar is going to be Goldberg vs. Regal all over again. Roman Reigns has had very few singles matches, and he's been very protected. At the end of the day, Brock Lesnar might have to cover himself with Roman Reigns unconcious body to get this match over with. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 1:12:57 GMT -5
Absolutely...
I for one was astounded that the hype of Daniel Bryan returning...on Smackdown no less...was such a big deal, when he could've ensured the same Philly crowd as last year wouldn't have a case of déjà vu...
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Post by China Claus on Jan 29, 2015 4:04:55 GMT -5
I'm tired of all this "Daniel Bryan had his moment" crap.
Ladies and gentlemen, we have the next Hulk Hogan and Steve Austin on our hands when it comes to crowd reaction. No one has seen the passion and ovation that Daniel Bryan is receiving since. Yeah, there's been some pops here and there, and Cena gets some mixed reactions, but the vast majority of fans obviously are behind Bryan. Sure he's lacking in the charisma department, but people genuinely care for the guy, and it's evident whenever he's around.
Hogan, Austin, Rock, Shawn Michaels, Orton, Cena, Batista, Triple H, and Undertaker have all had more than one Wrestlemania main event, why can't Bryan be included in this list?
I've saw this comparison a few times now, and it rings true:
It would be like leaving Hogan out of the Wrestlemania main events of the 80's, or Austin out of the late 90's.
This was Bryan's Rumble to win from the moment they brought him back.
If Bryan would've waited until, say, this Monday to return, there probably wouldn't have been such a backlash. Hell, I heard the Rock was really upset with how things played out.
There's ton's of negative publicity from this, which the WWE can't be happy about, especially now that they've literally put their future into the fans hands with WWE Network.
Reigns might have been a good substitute, but everyone's hero is back. And you can believe that.
What happened to the "Reality" era?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 6:24:39 GMT -5
100% they should have waited. Its so surprising to me because surely they knew that(in Philly of all places)this would happen? Surely the ego of Vince & Stephanie hasn't become so engorged that it couldn't see this coming?
Reaction for Reigns would still have been mixed but definitely NOT as visceral as what we seen here. They clearly put DB in here to increase buyrates and tease the fact that he may win.....after one of the Steph/DB promos I defo thought he was going all the way.
But it is what it is. I don't hate Reigns at all.....but Im flabbergasted that Vince has thrust his new "guy" into this arena of hate.
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Post by Midnight on Jan 29, 2015 9:16:41 GMT -5
If he wasn't going to win, then yeah his return should've been after the RR.
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