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Post by Planktung on Jan 29, 2015 9:25:47 GMT -5
From a spectacle standpoint, of course not. From an in-ring standpoint, Bryan/Ziggler would outshine everything else on the card and I feel that the audience at 'Mania would be drawn to that more than anything else. Warrior/hogan Hogan/Andre Hogan/Rock (lot of hogan) Cena/Rock All these matches are not "wrestling clinics" but there the best/most standout matches on cards that had great wrestling matches. The difference was the electricity and sports entertainment factor in those matches. The hogan/Rock stare down got a better reaction from the audience and is more of an iconic wrestling scene than anything else on that card. Sting hasn't ever wrestled in wwe, arguable the greatest wrestler never to and now we actually get to see it. Bryan /Ziggler has happened and will happene again but sting in a wwe ring is as an iconic moment as the Andre body slam or the austin/McMahon alliance. Not to mention sting being a headliner in the most popular wrestling period ever. Bryan/Ziggler or sheamus will no doubt be a top match (hopefully - see punk jericho wm28 for disappointment imo) but sting is a once in a lifetime moment that transcends wrestling. I got myself all excited now. Cena/Rock aside, all of those matches took place in different time periods. In this day and age, work rate is something that's admired more by the fans that will pack Levi's Stadium. Sting/HHH is going to be memorable, of course. But I just believe that Bryan/Ziggler will be viewed as the better match in the eyes of the audience because it caters more towards what they want out of a pro wrestling show.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jan 29, 2015 9:27:56 GMT -5
If I was Daniel Bryan, I would just retire. It's not worth it. If the reports are true and that WWE just absolutely has no faith in Daniel Bryan and they think he's too small and that he's not over and that fans just like to chant "YES!".....he should just retire. I don't want to see Daniel Bryan risk paralyzing himself for a company that doesn't respect him. What's wrong with Bryan just being an asset? He doesn't have to be the #1 guy to be a valuable asset to the company. He loves wrestling, he gets to put on matches with the most talented performers in the world against the maximum amount of fans. It's just gotta be so frustrating for Daniel Bryan. He wants to be the top guy, he FANS want him to be a top guy; he's marketable, he's charismatic, he's one of the best in-ring performers that they have....but he's getting passed over for a guy who can't speak, can't wrestle, and who the fans don't like just because Vince McMahon has DECIDED that Roman Reigns is the next top guy. It just must be difficult to work for a company that doesn't value you. I'd hate for Daniel Bryan to hurt his neck and have to retire from wasting his time in matches with Kane on Smackdown.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 9:29:50 GMT -5
That probably had more to do with Dolph being the one to make the pin instead of the (expected) Cena. Sting's in ring debut has been 20+ years in the making. There's no way anything will outshine that. From a spectacle standpoint, of course not. From an in-ring standpoint, Bryan/Ziggler would outshine everything else on the card and I feel that the audience at 'Mania would be drawn to that more than anything else. What wyleecyotee said. I have no doubt that Bryan and Ziggler would have a cracker together. But it won't steal the show for the same reason that Hogan/Rock stole WM18.
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Post by Planktung on Jan 29, 2015 9:32:55 GMT -5
What's wrong with Bryan just being an asset? He doesn't have to be the #1 guy to be a valuable asset to the company. He loves wrestling, he gets to put on matches with the most talented performers in the world against the maximum amount of fans. It's just gotta be so frustrating for Daniel Bryan. He wants to be the top guy, he FANS want him to be a top guy; he's marketable, he's charismatic, he's one of the best in-ring performers that they have....but he's getting passed over for a guy who can't speak, can't wrestle, and who the fans don't like just because Vince McMahon has DECIDED that Roman Reigns is the next top guy. It just must be difficult to work for a company that doesn't value you. I'd hate for Daniel Bryan to hurt his neck and have to retire from wasting his time in matches with Kane on Smackdown. I think Matt Hardy said it best in a video that he recently uploaded regarding the Royal Rumble. Daniel Bryan is a blessing and a curse to WWE. It's a blessing to have someone on the roster who is as talented performer who is ridiculously over with the fans. At the same time, it's a curse because Bryan cannot always be the centerpiece of the product and no matter what is done with him, if he isn't in the top spot in at least some capacity, fans will be outraged, as evident by what happened in Philly.
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Jan 29, 2015 9:33:42 GMT -5
Haven't we seen Bryan vs Sheamus at WM already? Rather see Dolph and Bryan tear it down,
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 9:35:44 GMT -5
What's wrong with Bryan just being an asset? He doesn't have to be the #1 guy to be a valuable asset to the company. He loves wrestling, he gets to put on matches with the most talented performers in the world against the maximum amount of fans. It's just gotta be so frustrating for Daniel Bryan. He wants to be the top guy, he FANS want him to be a top guy; he's marketable, he's charismatic, he's one of the best in-ring performers that they have....but he's getting passed over for a guy who can't speak, can't wrestle, and who the fans don't like just because Vince McMahon has DECIDED that Roman Reigns is the next top guy. It just must be difficult to work for a company that doesn't value you. I'd hate for Daniel Bryan to hurt his neck and have to retire from wasting his time in matches with Kane on Smackdown. Everyone wants to be in the top spot, but Bryan doesn't deserve it as long as Cena is bringing in more money than him. In the business/entertainment world, money talks. Words come cheap. Anyone can sit there and chant for whoever they want. Bryan is over, he is charismatic, he is popular, he's a great worker, but he's not #1 in any of those fields, Cena is (except maybe the worker part, though he's not far off #1, either way Bryan isn't the number 1 best worker either). Roman won't be the top guy, Cena is. Bryan has proven his worth, he can be a top talent, just not THE top talent. There's nothing wrong with that. You can still be an all time great and not be the top guy. Look at Jericho, Undertaker or Shawn.
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Post by Planktung on Jan 29, 2015 9:36:33 GMT -5
From a spectacle standpoint, of course not. From an in-ring standpoint, Bryan/Ziggler would outshine everything else on the card and I feel that the audience at 'Mania would be drawn to that more than anything else. What wyleecyotee said. I have no doubt that Bryan and Ziggler would have a cracker together. But it won't steal the show for the same reason that Hogan/Rock stole WM18. WrestleMania 18 didn't have the kind of "work rate" match that Bryan/Ziggler would be. If Kurt Angle vs. Mr. Perfect happened at 18, I think that the question of "What match stole the show" would be split among fans. Rock/Hogan was a spectacle, but Angle/Perfect would have been a wrestling clinic. The same goes for Sting/HHH and Bryan/Ziggler respectively.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 9:41:25 GMT -5
What wyleecyotee said. I have no doubt that Bryan and Ziggler would have a cracker together. But it won't steal the show for the same reason that Hogan/Rock stole WM18. WrestleMania 18 didn't have the kind of "work rate" match that Bryan/Ziggler would be. If Kurt Angle vs. Mr. Perfect happened at 18, I think that the question of "What match stole the show" would be split among fans. Rock/Hogan was a spectacle, but Angle/Perfect would have been a wrestling clinic. The same goes for Sting/HHH and Bryan/Ziggler respectively. The thing is, Ziggler/Bryan will have more matches in the future (probably). People probably won't talk about that one match they had at that one event in 5 years or 10 years down the line. But Sting's debut? It's going to be one of the most historic moments of all time, if not the most historic. Another good example would be Wrestlemania 10. Despite the fact that Bret and Owen had probably the best match of any Wrestlemania ever, people talk more about the Ladder match because it was such a spectacle.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jan 29, 2015 9:44:10 GMT -5
It's just gotta be so frustrating for Daniel Bryan. He wants to be the top guy, he FANS want him to be a top guy; he's marketable, he's charismatic, he's one of the best in-ring performers that they have....but he's getting passed over for a guy who can't speak, can't wrestle, and who the fans don't like just because Vince McMahon has DECIDED that Roman Reigns is the next top guy. It just must be difficult to work for a company that doesn't value you. I'd hate for Daniel Bryan to hurt his neck and have to retire from wasting his time in matches with Kane on Smackdown. Everyone wants to be in the top spot, but Bryan doesn't deserve it as long as Cena is bringing in more money than him. In the business/entertainment world, money talks. Words come cheap. Anyone can sit there and chant for whoever they want. Bryan is over, he is charismatic, he is popular, he's a great worker, but he's not #1 in any of those fields, Cena is (except maybe the worker part, though he's not far off #1, either way Bryan isn't the number 1 best worker either). Roman won't be the top guy, Cena is. Bryan has proven his worth, he can be a top talent, just not THE top talent. There's nothing wrong with that. You can still be an all time great and not be the top guy. Look at Jericho, Undertaker or Shawn. Don't you think it would be smart to just go with Bryan for one more Wrestlemania, give him the Title run that he never got because he got hurt, and give Roman Reigns more time to develop? It's just going to hurt Roman Reigns by having him go out there and fail trying to be something he's not before he's ready. His promos are cringe-worthy, he hasn't paid his dues or had any big feuds, and he's not even good in the ring. Him beating Brock Lesnar would be ridiculous, especially when the match is going to be awful. I'm calling it right now, Reigns vs. Lesnar is going to be Goldberg vs. Regal where Lesnar is just going to have to man handle him for real and then lay down. And I don't think it's possible for anybody to outsell John Cena in merchandise because of the amount of crap they make for him. When Daniel Bryan gets something, it's a t-shirt. When John Cena gets a new shirt he gets a new hat, new wristbands, a new armband, new sneakers with different color shoe laces, a new towel,.....so you might be able to spend $24.99 on Daniel Bryan, but if you are a parent you probably have to spend over $150 on John Cena crap.
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Post by Planktung on Jan 29, 2015 9:49:42 GMT -5
WrestleMania 18 didn't have the kind of "work rate" match that Bryan/Ziggler would be. If Kurt Angle vs. Mr. Perfect happened at 18, I think that the question of "What match stole the show" would be split among fans. Rock/Hogan was a spectacle, but Angle/Perfect would have been a wrestling clinic. The same goes for Sting/HHH and Bryan/Ziggler respectively. The thing is, Ziggler/Bryan will have more matches in the future (probably). People probably won't talk about that one match they had at that one event in 5 years or 10 years down the line. But Sting's debut? It's going to be one of the most historic moments of all time, if not the most historic. Another good example would be Wrestlemania 10. Despite the fact that Bret and Owen had probably the best match of any Wrestlemania ever, people talk more about the Ladder match because it was such a spectacle. Like I stated previously regarding Rock/Hogan and Angle/Perfect, had that match been featured on WrestleMania 18, fans to this day would have been split on which was the Match of the Night. It's the same way for Bret/Owen and Michaels/Razor. The latter was a spectacle, definitely, but some fans identify Bret/Owen as the match that they enjoyed more out of the two. Some fans just don't have the desire to see Sting work at this point in his career. They're among the ones who would view Bryan/Ziggler as the better match. I do want to see Sting compete at least once in the WWE because it would be a crime for him not to, but I personally believe that Bryan/Ziggler will be the better match, simply because it's what I care to see more.
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Post by wyleecyotee on Jan 29, 2015 9:58:46 GMT -5
The thing is, Ziggler/Bryan will have more matches in the future (probably). People probably won't talk about that one match they had at that one event in 5 years or 10 years down the line. But Sting's debut? It's going to be one of the most historic moments of all time, if not the most historic. Another good example would be Wrestlemania 10. Despite the fact that Bret and Owen had probably the best match of any Wrestlemania ever, people talk more about the Ladder match because it was such a spectacle. Like I stated previously regarding Rock/Hogan and Angle/Perfect, had that match been featured on WrestleMania 18, fans to this day would have been split on which was the Match of the Night. It's the same way for Bret/Owen and Michaels/Razor. The latter was a spectacle, definitely, but some fans identify Bret/Owen as the match that they enjoyed more out of the two. Some fans just don't have the desire to see Sting work at this point in his career. They're among the ones who would view Bryan/Ziggler as the better match. I do want to see Sting compete at least once in the WWE because it would be a crime for him not to, but I personally believe that Bryan/Ziggler will be the better match, simply because it's what I care to see more. "Because it's what I care to see" It's just a case of the majority, the majority want to see sting over Bryan/Ziggler. There is a wide audience for Bryan/Ziggler but sting is the marque, sting is the headline special attraction that is the reason for fans to watch. How many people bought mania for savage/steamboat over hogan/Andre or Benoit/angle over Rock/austin or punk/jericho over Rock/Cena. I'm not denying Bryan and Ziggler will have a great match but a match isn't purely work rate, half the greatest matches ever aren't based on work rate. There's a reason Tyson Kidd the "workhorse" isn't a main eventer and John Cena is. All were saying is for every you that buys mania for Ziggler/Bryan, at least 2 are buying for sting. And anvil fan example of mania 10 is perfect. If I'm showing a friend a match to get them into wrestling I show them the ladder match 9/10 because it's sports (bret/Owen) and entertainment (vince wrestling) rolled into one.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jan 29, 2015 10:07:31 GMT -5
It's just gotta be so frustrating for Daniel Bryan. He wants to be the top guy, he FANS want him to be a top guy; he's marketable, he's charismatic, he's one of the best in-ring performers that they have....but he's getting passed over for a guy who can't speak, can't wrestle, and who the fans don't like just because Vince McMahon has DECIDED that Roman Reigns is the next top guy. It just must be difficult to work for a company that doesn't value you. I'd hate for Daniel Bryan to hurt his neck and have to retire from wasting his time in matches with Kane on Smackdown. Everyone wants to be in the top spot, but Bryan doesn't deserve it as long as Cena is bringing in more money than him. In the business/entertainment world, money talks. Words come cheap. Anyone can sit there and chant for whoever they want. Bryan is over, he is charismatic, he is popular, he's a great worker, but he's not #1 in any of those fields, Cena is (except maybe the worker part, though he's not far off #1, either way Bryan isn't the number 1 best worker either). Roman won't be the top guy, Cena is. Bryan has proven his worth, he can be a top talent, just not THE top talent. There's nothing wrong with that. You can still be an all time great and not be the top guy. Look at Jericho, Undertaker or Shawn. I believe it was said best on the recent Steve Austin podcast. Daniel Bryan is the guy who can make them the most money for the next year or so most likely. The fans DESPERATELY want him to be at the top and it's not just internet smarks. As you said, Cena is still the top guy so they can run with Bryan, which the fans want) for another few months and then move onto Reigns as Cena gets to 40. I get the whole "you don't have to be number one guy." I agree. I see Bryan as a guy who will be towards the top but never the guy, like an HBK or Jericho. That's fine. But Shawn was THE man for two-three years. Undertaker and Jericho never were the guy that NEARLY EVERYONE wanted to win the title. Granted a lot of people did, but there was always an Austin or Rock who were more popular. While Cena makes more money and moves more merch, it is consistently heard week in and week out that Bryan is the most popular guy. I can see why fans are upset in a way.
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Post by Planktung on Jan 29, 2015 10:11:07 GMT -5
Like I stated previously regarding Rock/Hogan and Angle/Perfect, had that match been featured on WrestleMania 18, fans to this day would have been split on which was the Match of the Night. It's the same way for Bret/Owen and Michaels/Razor. The latter was a spectacle, definitely, but some fans identify Bret/Owen as the match that they enjoyed more out of the two. Some fans just don't have the desire to see Sting work at this point in his career. They're among the ones who would view Bryan/Ziggler as the better match. I do want to see Sting compete at least once in the WWE because it would be a crime for him not to, but I personally believe that Bryan/Ziggler will be the better match, simply because it's what I care to see more. "Because it's what I care to see" It's just a case of the majority, the majority want to see sting over Bryan/Ziggler. There is a wide audience for Bryan/Ziggler but sting is the marque, sting is the headline special attraction that is the reason for fans to watch. How many people bought mania for savage/steamboat over hogan/Andre or Benoit/angle over Rock/austin or punk/jericho over Rock/Cena. I'm not denying Bryan and Ziggler will have a great match but a match isn't purely work rate, half the greatest matches ever aren't based on work rate. There's a reason Tyson Kidd the "workhorse" isn't a main eventer and John Cena is. All were saying is for every you that buys mania for Ziggler/Bryan, at least 2 are buying for sting. And anvil fan example of mania 10 is perfect. If I'm showing a friend a match to get them into wrestling I show them the ladder match 9/10 because it's sports (bret/Owen) and entertainment (vince wrestling) rolled into one. Yes, the majority want to see Sting. I've never denied that. But in this time period, some fans admire work rate over a spectacle. Tyson Kidd isn't a workhorse main eventer, but some audiences, such as Philly at the Royal Rumble, give him a better response than John Cena. The view on which match was better will be divided among the fans because it all depends on what they want to see. I would likely favor Bryan/Ziggler, though.
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Post by punksnotdead on Jan 29, 2015 10:18:39 GMT -5
Seems like an easy match to setup. The Authority punishes the two of them by making them square off or maybe Ziggler turns heel. I'm completely content with a two guys looking to out do each other type of deal.
Add this to Rollins vs Orton and Sting vs HHH and I would pretty much be all set.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 10:25:58 GMT -5
The thing is, Ziggler/Bryan will have more matches in the future (probably). People probably won't talk about that one match they had at that one event in 5 years or 10 years down the line. But Sting's debut? It's going to be one of the most historic moments of all time, if not the most historic. Another good example would be Wrestlemania 10. Despite the fact that Bret and Owen had probably the best match of any Wrestlemania ever, people talk more about the Ladder match because it was such a spectacle. Like I stated previously regarding Rock/Hogan and Angle/Perfect, had that match been featured on WrestleMania 18, fans to this day would have been split on which was the Match of the Night. It's the same way for Bret/Owen and Michaels/Razor. The latter was a spectacle, definitely, but some fans identify Bret/Owen as the match that they enjoyed more out of the two. Some fans just don't have the desire to see Sting work at this point in his career. They're among the ones who would view Bryan/Ziggler as the better match. I do want to see Sting compete at least once in the WWE because it would be a crime for him not to, but I personally believe that Bryan/Ziggler will be the better match, simply because it's what I care to see more. I think we're both trying to make the same point but in different ways here. Everyone wants to be in the top spot, but Bryan doesn't deserve it as long as Cena is bringing in more money than him. In the business/entertainment world, money talks. Words come cheap. Anyone can sit there and chant for whoever they want. Bryan is over, he is charismatic, he is popular, he's a great worker, but he's not #1 in any of those fields, Cena is (except maybe the worker part, though he's not far off #1, either way Bryan isn't the number 1 best worker either). Roman won't be the top guy, Cena is. Bryan has proven his worth, he can be a top talent, just not THE top talent. There's nothing wrong with that. You can still be an all time great and not be the top guy. Look at Jericho, Undertaker or Shawn. Don't you think it would be smart to just go with Bryan for one more Wrestlemania, give him the Title run that he never got because he got hurt, and give Roman Reigns more time to develop? It's just going to hurt Roman Reigns by having him go out there and fail trying to be something he's not before he's ready. His promos are cringe-worthy, he hasn't paid his dues or had any big feuds, and he's not even good in the ring. Him beating Brock Lesnar would be ridiculous, especially when the match is going to be awful. I'm calling it right now, Reigns vs. Lesnar is going to be Goldberg vs. Regal where Lesnar is just going to have to man handle him for real and then lay down. And I don't think it's possible for anybody to outsell John Cena in merchandise because of the amount of crap they make for him. When Daniel Bryan gets something, it's a t-shirt. When John Cena gets a new shirt he gets a new hat, new wristbands, a new armband, new sneakers with different color shoe laces, a new towel,.....so you might be able to spend $24.99 on Daniel Bryan, but if you are a parent you probably have to spend over $150 on John Cena crap. I actually think that it would be an extremely bad idea to have Bryan go over Brock at Wrestlemania. Brock's entire build since really even before Wrestlemania last year has been heading towards this moment, the building of a new star. Bryan doesn't need that because he's already a star. Aside from having a good match with Brock (which I have no doubts Roman will have anyway) he has nothing to offer the situation. He spent the Summerslam 2013-WM30 period going over 4 of the biggest stars the industry has ever seen, 3 of which on the same night. He'd be in a way better position challenging Roman for the title following Wrestlemania, possibly at Summerslam, or maybe winning the next Royal Rumble. Roman has been getting the build now for over a year. It's his time. Roman working matches on SD/Raw against Tyson Kidd or Cesaro for a year won't make him any more ready than he is now. Plus you've got the added fact that Brock may not be around following Mania (although I hope he is). I for one would like to see a Roman vs. Bryan feud. And that feud will be a lot more enjoyable once Reigns is legitimised like Bryan was last year. Like I previously said, if the demand was there for more Bryan merch, it'd be supplied. It's called Supply and Demand for a reason. The demand is there for Cena merch, if it sells, they'll sell it. Everyone wants to be in the top spot, but Bryan doesn't deserve it as long as Cena is bringing in more money than him. In the business/entertainment world, money talks. Words come cheap. Anyone can sit there and chant for whoever they want. Bryan is over, he is charismatic, he is popular, he's a great worker, but he's not #1 in any of those fields, Cena is (except maybe the worker part, though he's not far off #1, either way Bryan isn't the number 1 best worker either). Roman won't be the top guy, Cena is. Bryan has proven his worth, he can be a top talent, just not THE top talent. There's nothing wrong with that. You can still be an all time great and not be the top guy. Look at Jericho, Undertaker or Shawn. I believe it was said best on the recent Steve Austin podcast. Daniel Bryan is the guy who can make them the most money for the next year or so most likely. The fans DESPERATELY want him to be at the top and it's not just internet smarks. As you said, Cena is still the top guy so they can run with Bryan, which the fans want) for another few months and then move onto Reigns as Cena gets to 40. I get the whole "you don't have to be number one guy." I agree. I see Bryan as a guy who will be towards the top but never the guy, like an HBK or Jericho. That's fine. But Shawn was THE man for two-three years. Undertaker and Jericho never were the guy that NEARLY EVERYONE wanted to win the title. Granted a lot of people did, but there was always an Austin or Rock who were more popular. While Cena makes more money and moves more merch, it is consistently heard week in and week out that Bryan is the most popular guy. I can see why fans are upset in a way. In all honesty I'm not sure Bryan will make the company much more money being the champ than he is on the mid-high card. People who pay to see him will pay regardless, especially if he's in an internet darling match against Ziggler. Legitimising Roman for the future is more important right now. The guy's so young, he could go for another 10-15 years at least. And like I said above, I'd love to see him challenge Roman in the future. Shawn was the guy from Wrestlemania 12 to just before Survivor Series 96, not quite 2 or 3 years. So he technically was the guy for a short while, but it's not something that's really that relevant when you consider his career as a whole. I've always thought of him as being to Bret, what Savage/Warrior was to Hogan. Fans have every right to want Bryan to main event, but I don't personally agree with sabotaging the rest of the show over it.
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Post by wyleecyotee on Jan 29, 2015 10:28:23 GMT -5
"Because it's what I care to see" It's just a case of the majority, the majority want to see sting over Bryan/Ziggler. There is a wide audience for Bryan/Ziggler but sting is the marque, sting is the headline special attraction that is the reason for fans to watch. How many people bought mania for savage/steamboat over hogan/Andre or Benoit/angle over Rock/austin or punk/jericho over Rock/Cena. I'm not denying Bryan and Ziggler will have a great match but a match isn't purely work rate, half the greatest matches ever aren't based on work rate. There's a reason Tyson Kidd the "workhorse" isn't a main eventer and John Cena is. All were saying is for every you that buys mania for Ziggler/Bryan, at least 2 are buying for sting. And anvil fan example of mania 10 is perfect. If I'm showing a friend a match to get them into wrestling I show them the ladder match 9/10 because it's sports (bret/Owen) and entertainment (vince wrestling) rolled into one. Yes, the majority want to see Sting. I've never denied that. But in this time period, some fans admire work rate over a spectacle. Tyson Kidd isn't a workhorse main eventer, but some audiences, such as Philly at the Royal Rumble, give him a better response than John Cena. The view on which match was better will be divided among the fans because it all depends on what they want to see. I would likely favor Bryan/Ziggler, though. That's pretty much what I was saying, I'd agree Ziggler/Bryan if living up to potential will be the best wrestling match. Sting/hhh will be the best overall match arguably. It's arguable till the cows come home what is the best style of match. Personally I like a mixture of everything on a card. It is however a guess at match of the night, before mania 28 I would have said Bryan/sheamus followed by punk/jericho for m personally but both matches for one reason or another left me unsatisfied. For all we know Bryan/Ziggler could be a bust. For every great match there is I can name an equally dissapointjng one. If wrestling/work rate where the be all and end all of wrestling, this site would be called figs of honor.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jan 29, 2015 10:31:11 GMT -5
I don't there is anyway to compare Cena merchandise to Daniel Bryan merchandise. How much crap can you possibly sell for Daniel Bran? He has a t-shirt, the fake beard, and the foam YES Fingers......Unless Daniel Bryan starts wearing hats, wrist bands, arm bands, tog tags, towels, a jacket, gloves.....
The reason John Cena sells so much merchandise is because he HAS so much merchandise and the only reason he HAS so much merchandise is because he wears so much on the way to the ring. It's authentic. Kids have to have every piece of it. A kid can't have the hat without the shirt and the bands and the towel....it's almost like a package deal.
People are buying the Daniel Bryan shirt, it's just there aren't 9 things that go along with it like with Cena's shirts.
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Post by Planktung on Jan 29, 2015 10:35:04 GMT -5
Yes, the majority want to see Sting. I've never denied that. But in this time period, some fans admire work rate over a spectacle. Tyson Kidd isn't a workhorse main eventer, but some audiences, such as Philly at the Royal Rumble, give him a better response than John Cena. The view on which match was better will be divided among the fans because it all depends on what they want to see. I would likely favor Bryan/Ziggler, though. That's pretty much what I was saying, I'd agree Ziggler/Bryan if living up to potential will be the best wrestling match. Sting/hhh will be the best overall match arguably. It's arguable till the cows come home what is the best style of match. Personally I like a mixture of everything on a card. It is however a guess at match of the night, before mania 28 I would have said Bryan/sheamus followed by punk/jericho for m personally but both matches for one reason or another left me unsatisfied. For all we know Bryan/Ziggler could be a bust. For every great match there is I can name an equally dissapointjng one. If wrestling/work rate where the be all and end all of wrestling, this site would be called figs of honor. It just ultimately comes down to one's personal taste. Work rate is definitely not the be all end all of pro wrestling, but some fans are drawn more to it. I'll admit that I'm one of them, which is why I can get into the idea of Bryan/Ziggler more than Sting/HHH.
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Post by J12 on Jan 29, 2015 10:42:14 GMT -5
I don't really see how Bryan/Ziggler "makes up" for the Rumble situation. In reality, it will likely be a thrown together match that gets 10-12 minutes at best, and ends up deep down on the undercard. It's basically just WWE throwing two Internet darlings together as an "ok, shut up" situation. Sure, the match will be good, but what will it mean?
Not to mention, that almost guarantees one of them has to turn heel, which shouldn't be happening under any circumstances right now.
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Post by wyleecyotee on Jan 29, 2015 10:42:43 GMT -5
I don't there is anyway to compare Cena merchandise to Daniel Bryan merchandise. How much crap can you possibly sell for Daniel Bran? He has a t-shirt, the fake beard, and the foam YES Fingers......Unless Daniel Bryan starts wearing hats, wrist bands, arm bands, tog tags, towels, a jacket, gloves..... The reason John Cena sells so much merchandise is because he HAS so much merchandise and the only reason he HAS so much merchandise is because he wears so much on the way to the ring. It's authentic. Kids have to have every piece of it. A kid can't have the hat without the shirt and the bands and the towel....it's almost like a package deal. People are buying the Daniel Bryan shirt, it's just there aren't 9 things that go along with it like with Cena's shirts. Daniel Bryan has had wrist bands and towels and he wore them often (towel was even at mania 30). Yea Cena/wwe has done well to push the merch he has but you push your best stuff and Cena sells. If wwe can make money they will, they don't sell Cena stuff instead of everyone else to spite them, if Bryan sold that stuff then he'd have it too. It's the same reason Cena is in every other mattel wave, Cena = $ more than anyone else.
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