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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Dec 20, 2014 23:40:35 GMT -5
Also its kinda funny how nobody is complaining that Luke Harper just lost the title to ziggler only for Ziggler to win it back.No ZigglerWinsLOL but if it was roman reigns it would be World War 3. Ziggler's a darling, Reigns isn't. And the funny thing is, the people who complain about Cena and Reigns winning are the ones who complain Ziggler is being buried and underpushed because he doesn't win every match. I think it comes down to the weird "I don't like who you tell me to like" anti establishment deal Marino mentioned. Even when a darling like Bryan or Punk gets a big push, that kind of fan has to convince themselves the guy's still being buried because they can only like guys who the machine "isn't" behind.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 23:41:12 GMT -5
But this is the Intercontinental Championship I'm talking about.Ziggler was IC champ only for miz to win it only for Ziggler to win it back then luke would win only for Ziggler to win it back.A little too much? Is that not worthy of a ZigglerWinsLOL? No, because as you said, he loses it. He's not this dominant guy who beats everyone when the title is on the line. That's the point of "CenaWinsLOL" and "RomanWinsLOL". They are supermen who never lose. That's not Dolph. So its ok for Luke Harper to lose his title to ziggler because Ziggler isn't a superman like cena even Though he was JUST champion?.Just because Ziggler lost some matches that doesn't mean he is made to look weak.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Dec 20, 2014 23:46:43 GMT -5
No, because as you said, he loses it. He's not this dominant guy who beats everyone when the title is on the line. That's the point of "CenaWinsLOL" and "RomanWinsLOL". They are supermen who never lose. That's not Dolph. So its ok for Luke Harper to lose his title to ziggler because Ziggler isn't a superman like cena even Though he was JUST champion?.Just because Ziggler lost some matches that doesn't mean he is made to look weak. I'm not saying Ziggler is made to look weak. I think he's booked pretty well actually. The point I'm making is that CenaWinsLOL is a thing because Cena is the top guy, who nearly never loses and is made to be superman. Dolph is not booked to win nearly every match. He wins more than he loses, but that's only lately. He went a while of doing nothing. If you can't see the difference, that's pretty sad.
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Post by Tyler Black on Dec 20, 2014 23:57:59 GMT -5
Reigns is the only guy you can put in the ring with lesner and have it be believable. Ambrose could possibly maybe believably beat lesner if the stip is a street fight and Ambrose goes bat crap crazy
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 0:01:06 GMT -5
So its ok for Luke Harper to lose his title to ziggler because Ziggler isn't a superman like cena even Though he was JUST champion?.Just because Ziggler lost some matches that doesn't mean he is made to look weak. I'm not saying Ziggler is made to look weak. I think he's booked pretty well actually. The point I'm making is that CenaWinsLOL is a thing because Cena is the top guy, who nearly never loses and is made to be superman. Dolph is not booked to win nearly every match. He wins more than he loses, but that's only lately. He went a while of doing nothing. If you can't see the difference, that's pretty sad. Im not stupid I get it,I get the Whole CenaWinsLOL thing I get the diffrence I even join in on the fun. But that's not what I was asking.My point I was trying to make is Why was it ok For Ziggler to Win the title off Luke Harper?,What was the whole point of luke harper to have a pointless title run only for him to lose it back to ziggler?.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 0:06:11 GMT -5
Also its kinda funny how nobody is complaining that Luke Harper just lost the title to ziggler only for Ziggler to win it back.No ZigglerWinsLOL but if it was roman reigns it would be World War 3. Ziggler's a darling, Reigns isn't. And the funny thing is, the people who complain about Cena and Reigns winning are the ones who complain Ziggler is being buried and underpushed because he doesn't win every match. I think it comes down to the weird "I don't like who you tell me to like" anti establishment deal Marino mentioned. Even when a darling like Bryan or Punk gets a big push, that kind of fan has to convince themselves the guy's still being buried because they can only like guys who the machine "isn't" behind. I agree I mean don't get me wrong I like all those guys but the fact that some people still think CM Punk was misused just doesn't make any sense.As if being WWE Champion for over 2 years just wasnt enough.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Dec 21, 2014 0:09:46 GMT -5
I'm not saying Ziggler is made to look weak. I think he's booked pretty well actually. The point I'm making is that CenaWinsLOL is a thing because Cena is the top guy, who nearly never loses and is made to be superman. Dolph is not booked to win nearly every match. He wins more than he loses, but that's only lately. He went a while of doing nothing. If you can't see the difference, that's pretty sad. Im not stupid I get it,I get the Whole CenaWinsLOL thing I get the diffrence I even join in on the fun. But that's not what I was asking.My point I was trying to make is Why was it ok For Ziggler to Win the title off Luke Harper?,What was the whole point of luke harper to have a pointless title run only for him to lose it back to ziggler?. Ah. Well personally I dont like the title switching so much anyway. Dolph should have never dropped it to Harper if it was going to be for nothing.
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Post by Calcifer Boheme on Dec 21, 2014 0:12:51 GMT -5
I like Reigns, but there's no need to rush things with him.
And I don't get why Ambrose isn't their type. The guy is 6'4", 225lbs, can work on the mic and in the ring, and can get a great reaction. Not to mention he has main evented two pay per views already. Where is the downside?
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Post by el torro on Dec 21, 2014 0:25:38 GMT -5
I like Reigns, but there's no need to rush things with him. And I don't get why Ambrose isn't their type. The guy is 6'4", 225lbs, can work on the mic and in the ring, and can get a great reaction. Not to mention he has main evented two pay per views already. Where is the downside? He's talented.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Dec 21, 2014 0:49:03 GMT -5
Well personally I dont like the title switching so much anyway. Dolph should have never dropped it to Harper if it was going to be for nothing. It seems like a pointless thing, I guess it was designed to make Harper a legitimate singles wrestler but as a monster guy, dropping the belt back a month later and losing a bunch of meaningless tag matches hasn't done a great deal for him anyway. I like Reigns, but there's no need to rush things with him. And I don't get why Ambrose isn't their type. The guy is 6'4", 225lbs, can work on the mic and in the ring, and can get a great reaction. Not to mention he has main evented two pay per views already. Where is the downside? The hairline. For a guy who is what, 28? 29? And even Shawn Michaels probably looks at that hairline on Ambrose and says "Come on, give it up, man."
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Post by facemeat on Dec 21, 2014 1:51:50 GMT -5
Well personally I dont like the title switching so much anyway. Dolph should have never dropped it to Harper if it was going to be for nothing. It seems like a pointless thing, I guess it was designed to make Harper a legitimate singles wrestler but as a monster guy, dropping the belt back a month later and losing a bunch of meaningless tag matches hasn't done a great deal for him anyway. I like Reigns, but there's no need to rush things with him. And I don't get why Ambrose isn't their type. The guy is 6'4", 225lbs, can work on the mic and in the ring, and can get a great reaction. Not to mention he has main evented two pay per views already. Where is the downside? The hairline. For a guy who is what, 28? 29? And even Shawn Michaels probably looks at that hairline on Ambrose and says "Come on, give it up, man." You're right, no would-be megastar has ever had a severely receding hairline, no sir. Oh wait...
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Dec 21, 2014 2:00:48 GMT -5
It seems like a pointless thing, I guess it was designed to make Harper a legitimate singles wrestler but as a monster guy, dropping the belt back a month later and losing a bunch of meaningless tag matches hasn't done a great deal for him anyway. The hairline. For a guy who is what, 28? 29? And even Shawn Michaels probably looks at that hairline on Ambrose and says "Come on, give it up, man." You're right, no would-be megastar has ever had a severely receding hairline, no sir. Oh wait... Lol.
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Post by The-Rated-Welsh-Superstar on Dec 21, 2014 4:26:02 GMT -5
I agree that Roman is not ready yet! He needs a good 6 months to a year,to get all worked out. Just having him win the rumble and then beating Brock! Come on really? If wwe do this then ok but after the mania match let Seth cash in and become champ!
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Dec 21, 2014 4:43:35 GMT -5
I agree that Roman is not ready yet! He needs a good 6 months to a year,to get all worked out. Just having him win the rumble and then beating Brock! Come on really? If wwe do this then ok but after the mania match let Seth cash in and become champ! But when WWE crowns a new champion on a PPV and then has a Money in the Bank winner cash in on them after the match, the Internet explodes in butthurt. Do you really want that to happen again?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 4:51:15 GMT -5
I agree that Roman is not ready yet! He needs a good 6 months to a year,to get all worked out. Just having him win the rumble and then beating Brock! Come on really? If wwe do this then ok but after the mania match let Seth cash in and become champ! But when WWE crowns a new champion on a PPV and then has a Money in the Bank winner cash in on them after the match, the Internet explodes in butthurt. Do you really want that to happen again? You know, we do nothing but complain on this section already. Who cares if WWE does one more thing to complain about? Seth cashing in on Roman would probably not result in complaining, because mostly everyone likes Seth more then Roman. Seth has had way more experience then Roman and thus deserves it more in the general way of thinking. No, the complaining would start when people make a thread speculating what'll happen on the Raw after the PPV. Then the raw after PPV will come and they'll complain that Roman's going on a path to win the belt by feuding with seth. It's an endless cycle, really.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 4:53:06 GMT -5
There's never been and never will be a time where everyone has no complaints about the product so I don't know why some of you act like it's such a bad and horrible thing.
If it really bothers you that much it's simple. Log off the wrestling forums and you won't have to read it. Otherwise just deal with it and scroll on.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Dec 21, 2014 5:07:04 GMT -5
Seth has had way more experience then Roman and thus deserves it more in the general way of thinking. Let's bring Gypsy Joe out of retirement and put the strap on him (but only if he's prepared to do a full-time schedule). That's true. There's never been and never will be a time where everyone has no complaints about the product So essentially, regardless of how good or bad it is, complainers gonna complain either way? Watch, Complain, Pretend Boycott, Repeat. In which case, worrying about people complaining is no reason for them to not put the belt on Roman at Mania -- even if they don't, people are still gonna complain anyway, right? So they may as well go for it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 9:45:21 GMT -5
As long as there is a top guy there's gonna be a (insert top guy's name) wins lol
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Post by xavion2004 on Dec 21, 2014 10:00:07 GMT -5
They already had the perfect transition from Lesnar. Cena takes Lesnar to the limit, Lesnar wins the match, Rollins curb stomps an exhausted Lesnar, cashes in, gets the pin, and becomes the new champ. Unfortunately, they played that card too early.
Most of the talk has been about Reigns and Ambrose, but IMHO, Rollins is the one that's the most prepared to carry the belt. You can work him against both faces and heels without turning him. Heyman building up heels to take Rollins out for double crossing him, and programs with the established faces would work beautifully. Now you have the time to let Reigns develop before transitioning the title to him from Rollins.
Like others have said, the WWE has painted themselves in a corner.
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Post by Chip on Dec 21, 2014 11:56:09 GMT -5
Seth Rollins has been built up as a better WWE superstar than Roman Reigns in the last year...since the Shield split. Which surprises me so much I can't even... Seth Rollins could legit hold the WWE title right now and no one would be surprised, no one would really complain, and with the way the company is right now it would make perfect sense. Seth Rollins could be the next "randy orton" (guy who is always there. main event, multiple title runs, etc.) Superman pushes work on kids. Rollins as a heel affects the entire audience. He just got a win against John Cena on RAW. Regardless of HOW it happened, it happened. He's really been allowed to close out RAW "standing tall" multiple times. He's basically the man in the top feud/storyline of the shows this past year. I guess we'll really find out if the company believes in him (no pun) when Orton comes back. If they actually put Seth over Orton in the long run, and not just job him out because OUTTA NOWHERE I think we could see the WWE title around Rollins waist sometime in 2015 and then SETH ING ROLLINS
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