Who's dumb in this situation?

[Infinite]

Dec 17, 2014 22:06:11 GMT -5 HVMMONS said:

Dec 17, 2014 21:40:02 GMT -5 Infinite said:

Ugh. Dude, seriously.
1) I don't need you to explain to me how wrestling works
2) I'm talking in terms of kayfabe, very, very obviously.
3) Jericho isn't even American, Rusev hasn't said crap about his country.

My issue, if you need it to be explained AGAIN is that WWE isn't really making the heels all that despicable, and the faces really aren't that likable. Couple weeks ago Bryan forced Rusev to either recite the pledge of allegiance or defend his title in a battle royal. That's a classic heel authority type move, stacking the odds against Rusev like that. Then Rusev chooses to defend the title against 19 guys and ing wins. If you switch the flags around that's some heroic crap.

Nothing I am saying here is absurd, idiotic, or ignorant. Sad to see that you can't have a discussion without chucking the insults out there. Sorry I said bad things about the wrestler you like.

Lol. Before I say anything, it's 2014. Vince McMahon said himself there's no such thing as a heel, or a face. So, that's out of the window. This has nothing to do with the fact that I'm a fan of Jericho's, first of all. Even though Jericho is Canadian, he insulted Rusev in order to get a positive response from the USA crowd. Which he did, it made perfect sense. It doesn't matter if he's Canadian or not. When Rusev didn't recite the pledge of allegiance, and had to be forced into the battle royal on Smackdown, and WON, that shows the dominance and the power of Rusev. That's perfect booking. Also, Rusev is the perfect example of kayfabe. USA vs. Russia. "Russia is better than America." Of course it's heroic crap in Russia, because Russia believes that they're better than America! It's believable to them. Especially since he's undefeated, and holds the US championship. We can agree to disagree, but this isn't 1998 anymore. It's 2014, and kayfabe is almost extinct with the creation of social media. The closest person to resemble kayfabe was Damien Sandow during his "savior of the masses" gimmick. 

Vince claiming there are no faces or heels any more is total horsecrap. I thought everyone saw through that. That's all I have left to say about this.

[HVMMONS]

Dec 17, 2014 22:13:51 GMT -5 Infinite said:

Dec 17, 2014 22:06:11 GMT -5 HVMMONS said:

Lol. Before I say anything, it's 2014. Vince McMahon said himself there's no such thing as a heel, or a face. So, that's out of the window. This has nothing to do with the fact that I'm a fan of Jericho's, first of all. Even though Jericho is Canadian, he insulted Rusev in order to get a positive response from the USA crowd. Which he did, it made perfect sense. It doesn't matter if he's Canadian or not. When Rusev didn't recite the pledge of allegiance, and had to be forced into the battle royal on Smackdown, and WON, that shows the dominance and the power of Rusev. That's perfect booking. Also, Rusev is the perfect example of kayfabe. USA vs. Russia. "Russia is better than America." Of course it's heroic crap in Russia, because Russia believes that they're better than America! It's believable to them. Especially since he's undefeated, and holds the US championship. We can agree to disagree, but this isn't 1998 anymore. It's 2014, and kayfabe is almost extinct with the creation of social media. The closest person to resemble kayfabe was Damien Sandow during his "savior of the masses" gimmick. 

Vince claiming there are no faces or heels any more is total horsecrap. I thought everyone saw through that. That's all I have left to say about this.

Obviously not because look at Bray Wyatt. Vince is on Cloud 9 for Bray Wyatt. 

[~ Cymru ~]

Dec 17, 2014 18:05:26 GMT -5 marino13 said:

Here's a question... Why didn't Heyman cover Jericho for the win after the Brock beat down?

I was gonna include that in my original post but figured if Heyman got the win, then it'd make it more personal this was just a beat down, end of chapter. I think it would have been cool if Heyman did pin Jericho and Rollins was the one protecting Him from Jericho.

[👑🇵🇭⭐️]

Did anyone notice Jerry the King Lawler saying something along the lines of, “maybe we should explain to the audience the differences between the 3 matches. HAHA!!”

[Tyler Black]

Dec 17, 2014 19:01:28 GMT -5 @nes said:

Dec 17, 2014 18:46:06 GMT -5 Infinite said:

The dumb part of this to me was how much of an bunghole Jericho was for the entire show. I'm a huge Y2J fan but I popped big when Brock came out to kill him.

I know exactly what you mean and couldn't agree more. Ever since listening to his interviews on Talk Is Jericho, I've grown to dislike Chris Jericho the person more and more. All he does is put himself over or find ways to compare the stories of the person he's interviewing to himself. He's his own biggest fan.

Same here I can't sit through Jerichos podcast he's always cutting his guest off for a "similar" story of his. He also comes off as very oblivious to the rest of wrestling outside of his own career. On his interview with Ambrose, Ambrose made him aware that Foley and Taker were the first two to ever start the match on top of the cell. Ambrose even says, "How the hell do you not know that"

[havoc7179]

Dec 17, 2014 17:25:08 GMT -5 hbkbigdaddycool said:

I think the problem in that voting is, that all 3 matches - extreme rules, no holds barred and street fight - are the EXACT same match!

Except they have subtle differences:
1. Extreme Rules - Anything goes; Pins and Submissions can be outside of ring.
2. No Holds Barred - Anything goes; but pin or submission must be in the ring; rope breaks apply
3. Street Fight - Anything goes; Pin anywhere; Rope breaks do not apply

[Joe/Smurf]

I think in this instance, they were actually trying to make them be the same match. King even said, "Maybe someone should explain the differences here..." The problem is that even when they aren't explicitly trying to do that, the results are always rigged just the same by giving either A. choices that are very similar or B. giving one obvious choice and two terrible choices. Obviously the reasoning is that if they gave fans real options they'd have to fit all three into the script somehow, but jeez... it couldn't possibly be THAT hard.

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Dec 17, 2014 17:25:08 GMT -5 hbkbigdaddycool said:

I think the problem in that voting is, that all 3 matches - extreme rules, no holds barred and street fight - are the EXACT same match!

In reality they are. In WWE, they're not.

No holds barred in WWE is a no DQ match but lacks weapons being used where an extreme rules match ephesizes the use of weapons being used. And as for a street fight, it's that you expect that the match can go anywhere around the arena with weapons of course being used.

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Dec 17, 2014 18:05:26 GMT -5 marino13 said:

Here's a question... Why didn't Heyman cover Jericho for the win after the Brock beat down?

I'm guessing the bell never rang, so the match technically didn't start.

[havoc7179]

Dec 19, 2014 13:01:51 GMT -5 @kidxlolz said:

Dec 17, 2014 18:05:26 GMT -5 marino13 said:

Here's a question... Why didn't Heyman cover Jericho for the win after the Brock beat down?

I'm guessing the bell never rang, so the match technically didn't start.

If that's the case (and I don't remember one way or the other), then why even have the voting? I thought it was being used that way to introduce Brock Lesnar into the equation without Heyman being DQed.