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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Nov 25, 2014 14:52:06 GMT -5
Maybe it should've been "success is not sexually transmitted." Would have been equally as nonsensical, because one of them is the divas champion and she isn't. So they are successful, moreso than her on Sunday and Monday. And from a storyline perspective, AJ only ever had any success in the first place as a result of her relationship with Daniel Bryan. It was just a bad attempt at a controversial "shoot" comment, and AJ didn't have the self-awareness to recognise how silly it sounded coming from her. I suspect that if there was a writer behind the line, it was done to humiliate AJ by making everyone's irony meters explode. They should have done a skit where Jamie Noble mocked Daniel Bryan for being short, too. Or had Cena commend Ziggler on getting rid of the gaudy t-shirt colours.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Nov 25, 2014 14:54:46 GMT -5
The difference is that "untalented" diva #1 (AJ Lee) got to her success before she was sleeping with a wrestler. Untalented divas #2 and #3 were not really given much until they started sleeping with the two top guys in the company. Maybe it should've been "success is not sexually transmitted." The Bella's were divas champions before Nikki even dated cena. Brie was champion while Daniel was a jobber. Aj would be nothing if it weren't for her being with the top guys in 2012. not only that, the Bella's are popular and right behind aj in followers. It has nothing to do with them dating whomever. They're just the top divas along with aj. Thank you! Could not have said it any better. john Cena and Nikki Bella's "relationship" didn't come to fruition at the very end of 2012. This was probably the first time it became known that Brie Bella and Daniel Bryan were dating each other. Hell, when I saw the Daniel Bryan documentary that aired on the network, I didn't know that Brie and Bryan had been dating since the middle of 2011.
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Post by facemeat on Nov 25, 2014 15:00:11 GMT -5
BREAKING: Cena may not actually have lady parts.
It's just one line of trash talk, guys...it doesn't necessarily have to be true, and there's really no need to dissect it to this extent.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Nov 25, 2014 15:01:55 GMT -5
The difference is that "untalented" diva #1 (AJ Lee) got to her success before she was sleeping with a wrestler. Untalented divas #2 and #3 were not really given much until they started sleeping with the two top guys in the company. Maybe it should've been "success is not sexually transmitted." The Bella's were divas champions before Nikki even dated cena. Brie was champion while Daniel was a jobber. Aj would be nothing if it weren't for her being with the top guys in 2012. not only that, the Bella's are popular and right behind aj in followers. It has nothing to do with them dating whomever. They're just the top divas along with aj. Brie Bella was Divas Champion for a short time and Nikki for even shorter. I'll give Brie some credit for doing it while Daniel was a jobber. I also give them massive credit for taking the time to improve and not fully just get to the top based on who they were dating. Who they were dating is part of what got them the top spot on Total Divas. Since then they, along with AJ, have been the top promoted Divas. AJ Lee was a long reigning Divas Champion and was a focal point of 2012. Yes, she was big because she was paired with top stars, but she quickly gained a following with the fans. SHE got over. Regardless of how she did it. The Bellas don't get anywhere near the reaction from the crowd that AJ does though they do move merch pretty well. Basically, AJ Lee got over, in part because of who she was paired with, but not completely. The same could be said for the Bellas, I'm not taking away their improvement. What I am saying is that AJ Lee is the top promoted Diva of the company, which she became before dating CM Punk. The Bellas didn't become top billed Divas until after Nikki started dating Cena. Alicia Fox and Jillian Hall won Divas Titles too, but weren't really what some would call successful divas.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Nov 25, 2014 15:05:52 GMT -5
BREAKING: Cena may not actually have lady parts. It's just one line of trash talk, guys...it doesn't necessarily have to be true, and there's really no need to dissect it to this extent. This made me laugh big time. Glad I have my window open in my room. I can't be in a hot, stuffy room.
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Post by slappy on Nov 25, 2014 15:05:32 GMT -5
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Post by Mr Angry Cena on Nov 25, 2014 15:09:21 GMT -5
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Nov 25, 2014 15:09:57 GMT -5
I've seen this before. It's a very arguable point. I've enjoyed Nikki Bella more than AJ Lee in recent weeks.
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Post by sitruC on Nov 25, 2014 15:10:57 GMT -5
I must recall Punks promos differently, unless I missed the whole "Jericho, you have an STD" promo.
I thought she was good last night, granted she does act more like Punk, but there are other things you could have used to show that. Also, what is being 'like CM Punk' really, being a jackass but funny? Because referring to it as like Punk is pretty dumb imo when people have done that in wrestling for years, what if you are from Chicago is that copying him too?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 15:40:09 GMT -5
Yes lets compare AJ lee to two different female wrestlers with two diffrent movesets.This video is stupid.
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Post by punksnotdead on Nov 25, 2014 15:54:57 GMT -5
Yes lets compare AJ lee to two different female wrestlers with two diffrent movesets.This video is stupid. It's extremely stupid. Dolph Ziggler and John Cena both do dropkicks, one of them is fantastic and the other is down right horrible. I'm also pretty sure that the Divas roster has a limited moveset from what we've heard in the past. So they are all doing similar to the same moves. It's about execution. I can run 100 meters, that doesn't make me an olympic sprinter. Being able to do something and being able to do something well are completely different. The Bellas are ing terrible. Terrible workers, even worse talkers. Even if you don't like AJ as a performer, she is 9,000 times more capable of holding a microphone and talking to the audience than the Bellas combined. I enjoy looking at Nikki Bella every single time over AJ, but liking someone and gauging their talent are two entirely different things. AJ was great last night imo. I don't mind her Punk transplant because if she's actually on her way out then it fits the storyline. What she is doing is obviously working because it's drawing a reaction, which is more than the rest of the Divas roster can say.
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Post by Duck Holliday on Nov 25, 2014 16:04:37 GMT -5
thanks for tagging, bro! I love this as an illustration of how good the Bellas can be(not truly evidence of them being better). I think they both have come a long way and I like that now they each have distinct styles. I think both quite athletic, Nikki being stronger, Brie with the high flying and cardio. I think on the Mic both are passable, although Nikki has surpassed Brie.
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Post by Duck Holliday on Nov 25, 2014 16:14:20 GMT -5
Yes lets compare AJ lee to two different female wrestlers with two diffrent movesets.This video is stupid. It's extremely stupid. Dolph Ziggler and John Cena both do dropkicks, one of them is fantastic and the other is down right horrible. I'm also pretty sure that the Divas roster has a limited moveset from what we've heard in the past. So they are all doing similar to the same moves. It's about execution. I can run 100 meters, that doesn't make me an olympic sprinter. Being able to do something and being able to do something well are completely different. The Bellas are ing terrible. Terrible workers, even worse talkers. Even if you don't like AJ as a performer, she is 9,000 times more capable of holding a microphone and talking to the audience than the Bellas combined. I enjoy looking at Nikki Bella every single time over AJ, but liking someone and gauging their talent are two entirely different things. AJ was great last night imo. I don't mind her Punk transplant because if she's actually on her way out then it fits the storyline. What she is doing is obviously working because it's drawing a reaction, which is more than the rest of the Divas roster can say. heel Nikki > Current AJ Just one man's opinion. Aj has been rough overall for a long time to me and AJ sounds really phony to me, whereas heel Nikki has been way more believable.
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Post by Planktung on Nov 25, 2014 16:17:44 GMT -5
Maybe it should've been "success is not sexually transmitted." The most accurate thing AJ could have said was, "Admiration from the fans is not sexually transmitted," which still isn't even entirely accurate since some people still want John Cena's head on a stick.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Nov 25, 2014 16:18:22 GMT -5
It's extremely stupid. Dolph Ziggler and John Cena both do dropkicks, one of them is fantastic and the other is down right horrible. I'm also pretty sure that the Divas roster has a limited moveset from what we've heard in the past. So they are all doing similar to the same moves. It's about execution. I can run 100 meters, that doesn't make me an olympic sprinter. Being able to do something and being able to do something well are completely different. The Bellas are ing terrible. Terrible workers, even worse talkers. Even if you don't like AJ as a performer, she is 9,000 times more capable of holding a microphone and talking to the audience than the Bellas combined. I enjoy looking at Nikki Bella every single time over AJ, but liking someone and gauging their talent are two entirely different things. AJ was great last night imo. I don't mind her Punk transplant because if she's actually on her way out then it fits the storyline. What she is doing is obviously working because it's drawing a reaction, which is more than the rest of the Divas roster can say. heel Nikki > Current AJ Just one man's opinion. Aj has been rough overall for a long time to me and AJ sounds really phony to me, whereas heel Nikki has been way more believable. That's how I feel. I was a huge AJ fan during her FCW days and pretty much all the way up to her leaving the night after WrestleMania. Since then, I haven't been feeling her and Nikki has been better. But if you try and defend AJ Lee in any way or you don't consider her the worst thing to ever happen to the Divas division, then I guess you're wrong.
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Nov 25, 2014 16:25:10 GMT -5
Somebody spent time making this video.....that is the saddest part of this thread.
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Post by MELO on Nov 25, 2014 20:32:03 GMT -5
You say that like it's a bad thing and considering Punk was (or is) one of the better talkers in the industry, it shouldn't be that way. If anything, it's more like a compliment to be compared to Punk as he had entire audiences hanging on his every word when he spoke.
This idea of AJ thinking herself above the other divas is nothing new, everything she said monday night is reminiscent of her Total Diva Pipebomb from last year. She called them worthless, expendable women and thing's haven't seemed to change in her perception. She mentioned how it takes two Bellas to be Divas champion and if you think back, when Brie won the belt, it was in fact Nikki who got the pin on Eve (Update: Nikki did not get the pin, she tried switching during the match but managed to distract Eve enough for her sister to get the pin). On the occasion that Nikki lost her belt, a week after having won it, "twin magic" was detrimental to them on that one instance. AJ's championship victories have been her own doing, so she has that. Of course everything is scripted, but within the storyline of the feud, it makes sense what she said.
Additionally, you guys are all bringing in personal life aspect of AJ's life into this. Yes, she's married to Punk but unlike the Bellas, who showcase their relationships on WWE programming, she and punk have been really private about theirs. Just look at Punks reaction of the leaked wedding pictures, they do not want their private lives to be made into a show. That's why it works for AJ to say those things about talent being sexually transmitted because the Bellas relationships have been put on display on TV.
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Post by King Silva on Nov 26, 2014 8:46:50 GMT -5
I liked it.
I mean what other diva can actually talk well on the mic besides Stephanie?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 9:19:01 GMT -5
I liked it. I mean what other diva can actually talk well on the mic besides Stephanie? Clearley Eva Marie Did You See her pipebomb to natalya it was very cm punkish.
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