weaseltv
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Post by weaseltv on Nov 24, 2014 11:55:07 GMT -5
Cena's had this thing going for a while with his being true to himself and "rising above hate" and all.
But with the Survivor series thing where, really at no point did he help any of his team. It does seem like creative is portraying him as being just selfish.
I'm wondering now if Total Diva's has anything to do with this storyline/character.
Cena on Total Diva's seems to be portrayed as what I would call "selfish yet honest" in his relationship with Nikki.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 12:02:17 GMT -5
It has nothing to do with Cena. The whole match was booked weird. It was in no way a bad match because it was highly entertaining, but... Henry was eliminated in the first minute for no reason. Rusev has been beaten, he could have lost by getting dq'd so they could still say he never has lost by pinfall or countout but nah. Ryback was the main focus on Raw the past few weeks only to get a little offense and contribute nothing huge in the match. Cena was supposed to be captain and he didn't do much. Big Show randomly turned heel. Ziggler was the sole survivor eliminating 3 guys which will give us all hope that he'll be pushed further, only to see him in the low mid-card within a month or two. It was just... weird.. yet good.
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Post by punksnotdead on Nov 24, 2014 12:08:57 GMT -5
Cena on Total Divas, at least from what I've seen, is portrayed as  ing hilarious in his actions towards Nikki Bella. He's obviously winning at life. To your point though, Vince giving Cena the power to let the Authority return is tucked in their back pocket now. Unless they are going to put Cena in the main event against Brock at Mania though, don't expect any kind of heel turn for at least another year. That's a WrestleMania moment, one that will likely never happen. I think heel or face, Cena is about 5 years overdue for rejuvenating his character. STL was brutal to him last night, particularly when he did the 5-knuckle shuffle routine. We are now full-on with a youth movement and they need to find a way to make Cena an important part of that without having to put him over the same way they have for the last 8 years. I would think a heel turn would be the easiest approach, but we obviously know the drawbacks of that happening. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 12:21:24 GMT -5
F*ck Cena.
We got Ziggler.
Anybody could have filled Cena's spot in the match. He didn't do sh*t and it's about time.
The only issue is that now we will have ANOTHER Cena vs. Big Show feud which makes me wanna hang myself from the top of the Hell in a Cell like Big Bossman at Wrestlemania 15.
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Post by The Yes Man on Nov 24, 2014 12:24:05 GMT -5
I think Cena having the ability to give HHH and Steph power back will lead to his heel turn, just not anytime soon.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 12:25:56 GMT -5
I truly don't think Cena is ever turning heel.
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Post by Tyler Black on Nov 24, 2014 12:25:59 GMT -5
To me, the whole "Cena has the power to reinstate the authority" is very interesting. Maybe 10 months from now, roman reigns is an absolute unbeatable powerhouse. He's beating everyone destroying everyone has the world title in his possession and looks like in no say is ever letting go. Cenas tried many times to regain the title but he just can't beat reigns....then triple h returns to raw, and he's seen talking to Cena backstage, we don't hear what's said, but trips pats Cena on the chest and nods his head. Two weeks later at let's say summer slam Cena vs reigns for the final time, this is Cenas last shot at reigns or he retires. Reigns has Cena set up for the super man punch, when triple h hits the ring and pedigrees reigns. Giving Cena the win. The next night on raw Cena reinstate the authority, using the line "I have to do what's best for john Cena, and what's best for john Cena is best for business." Cena gets a new character as the selfish type, the authority's back. Just some fantasy booking.
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Post by Wato Stan Account on Nov 24, 2014 12:33:00 GMT -5
It has nothing to do with Cena. The whole match was booked weird. It was in no way a bad match because it was highly entertaining, but... Henry was eliminated in the first minute for no reason. Rusev has been beaten, he could have lost by getting dq'd so they could still say he never has lost by pinfall or countout but nah. Ryback was the main focus on Raw the past few weeks only to get a little offense and contribute nothing huge in the match. Cena was supposed to be captain and he didn't do much. Big Show randomly turned heel. Ziggler was the sole survivor eliminating 3 guys which will give us all hope that he'll be pushed further, only to see him in the low mid-card within a month or two. It was just... weird.. yet good. I think the build up was entirely smoke and mirrors to build Ziggler. The Authority focused a lot on taking out Ziggler because he's one of the most resilient guys in WWE in the past few week. It comes across as a lot of "look over here" moments with Ryback. But I think it made the most sense after all of that for Ziggler to be the last man. I don't find any of that weird, it was one of the most nuanced angles WWE could do to make Ziggler look like the best guy in WWE. |
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Nov 24, 2014 13:19:06 GMT -5
I think Cena having the ability to give HHH and Steph power back will lead to his heel turn, just not anytime soon. I think it's more likely to lead to a Triple H face turn, or a Cena vs Triple H match. Whatever the new system is, either the WWE descends into chaos or a new authority figure ends up being an evil heel too, I can see Cena being forced to bring back HHH (and maybe Steph) to save the day at some point. |
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Post by Yambag Jones on Nov 24, 2014 13:21:28 GMT -5
I see your point, but to be fair no one else helped their team out either. At least ONE person could have done some damage after they were eliminated. It's unfair to single Cena out.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Nov 24, 2014 13:23:20 GMT -5
I think Cena having the ability to give HHH and Steph power back will lead to his heel turn, just not anytime soon. Cena vs Triple H at TLC. Triple H wins, the Authority get control back. |
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Post by RybackV1 on Nov 24, 2014 13:57:19 GMT -5
I really really hope that this plants the seeds to the cena heel turn that we've desperately needed forever. Times need to change if they want to stay afloat. Imagine Cena comes out during Sting/HHH at mania and seemingly goes to help sting but turns and joins HHH and the Authority. That would go down in history forever. They need to stop worrying about their TShirt sales and worry about the content of their brand and how to keep people invested. And the "Cenas same old $hit" stuff isn't gonna work for much longer we have already been through ten hellacious years now.
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Post by The Yes Man on Nov 24, 2014 13:59:21 GMT -5
I think Cena having the ability to give HHH and Steph power back will lead to his heel turn, just not anytime soon. I think it's more likely to lead to a Triple H face turn, or a Cena vs Triple H match. Whatever the new system is, either the WWE descends into chaos or a new authority figure ends up being an evil heel too, I can see Cena being forced to bring back HHH (and maybe Steph) to save the day at some point. Perhaps, though hopefully that would be atleast 9 months to a year from now. I think Cena having the ability to give HHH and Steph power back will lead to his heel turn, just not anytime soon. Cena vs Triple H at TLC. Triple H wins, the Authority get control back. Bleh. |
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Post by MonsoonMan on Nov 24, 2014 19:16:53 GMT -5
if you watch the very end of the pay per view when john comes back out to congratulate ziggler, you can hear ziggler saying "thank you brother" or something to that effect. i have a feeling that it was a 'politics' type of thing and cena went up to bat for ziggler and put him in that spot. just my personal speculation.
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Post by YES! YES! YES! on Nov 24, 2014 20:07:41 GMT -5
Ziggler eliminated 4 guys actually, right?
Rusev via Countout
Kane via Pinfall (Zig Zag)
Harper via Pinfall (Roll-up)
Rollins via Pinfall (ZigZag, with Sting later helping)
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Post by WMWanimations on Nov 24, 2014 23:17:38 GMT -5
if you watch the very end of the pay per view when john comes back out to congratulate ziggler, you can hear ziggler saying "thank you brother" or something to that effect. i have a feeling that it was a 'politics' type of thing and cena went up to bat for ziggler and put him in that spot. just my personal speculation. I actually thought the same thing. |
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Post by theMOESIAH on Nov 24, 2014 23:57:02 GMT -5
I think Cena having the ability to give HHH and Steph power back will lead to his heel turn, just not anytime soon. I think it's more likely to lead to a Triple H face turn, or a Cena vs Triple H match. Whatever the new system is, either the WWE descends into chaos or a new authority figure ends up being an evil heel too, I can see Cena being forced to bring back HHH (and maybe Steph) to save the day at some point. I really hope we are done with the evil boss thing for a while. It's been done to death since Vince did it in the late 90's. We're long past due for something new. |
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