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Post by Word™ on Nov 23, 2014 1:38:21 GMT -5
I don't mind Sting having a few matches.. But if they try to build The Undertaker vs. Sting, I'm gonna throw up. Why? What reason do they have to feud? They both wear black coats and are "dark and mysterious"? A Sting vs. Undertaker feud makes absolutely no sense.. What makes even less sense is The Undertaker showing up to simply stare Sting down, like he stole his TV or something and can't file charges. Anyone vs. Sting, that's fine.. But The Undertaker vs. Sting has never made any sense to me, yet internet fanboys drool over a potential showdown between the two. Internet logic: "They have alot in common, they should feud".
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 1:41:08 GMT -5
What reason do they have to feud? They both wear black coats and are "dark and mysterious"? A Sting vs. Undertaker feud makes absolutely no sense.. What makes even less sense is The Undertaker showing up to simply stare Sting down, like he stole his TV or something and can't file charges. Anyone vs. Sting, that's fine.. But The Undertaker vs. Sting has never made any sense to me, yet internet fanboys drool over a potential showdown between the two. Internet logic: "They have alot in common, they should feud". No, the reason for the allure before was Sting vs The Streak. That's the only reason these days. 15 years ago, I could buy their kinda-but-not-really-similar characters wanting to square off. Now I'm guessing people just want to see legend vs legend.
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Post by Mr Angry Cena on Nov 23, 2014 1:51:55 GMT -5
I would rather see Cena vs Hogan than Sting vs Taker TBH.
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Post by The Hitman on Nov 23, 2014 2:10:51 GMT -5
What reason do they have to feud? They both wear black coats and are "dark and mysterious"? A Sting vs. Undertaker feud makes absolutely no sense.. What makes even less sense is The Undertaker showing up to simply stare Sting down, like he stole his TV or something and can't file charges. Anyone vs. Sting, that's fine.. But The Undertaker vs. Sting has never made any sense to me, yet internet fanboys drool over a potential showdown between the two. Internet logic: "They have alot in common, they should feud". The reason I want to see the match is simple. Undertaker is the heart and soul of the WWE and Sting was the heart and soul of WCW. The 2 men that represented their brands for years. Put their looks and gimmicks aside, no one meant more to their respective brands than these two.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 2:18:31 GMT -5
If Sting shows up, he's helping team authority. I'm callin it. lol
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Post by Word™ on Nov 23, 2014 3:05:00 GMT -5
What reason do they have to feud? They both wear black coats and are "dark and mysterious"? A Sting vs. Undertaker feud makes absolutely no sense.. What makes even less sense is The Undertaker showing up to simply stare Sting down, like he stole his TV or something and can't file charges. Anyone vs. Sting, that's fine.. But The Undertaker vs. Sting has never made any sense to me, yet internet fanboys drool over a potential showdown between the two. Internet logic: "They have alot in common, they should feud". The reason I want to see the match is simple. Undertaker is the heart and soul of the WWE and Sting was the heart and soul of WCW. The 2 men that represented their brands for years. Put their looks and gimmicks aside, no one meant more to their respective brands than these two. This isn't 2001 though. I get what you're saying but I don't get the want for that match.. Triple H vs. Sting makes more sense in 2014 than Taker vs. Sting. The Undertaker isn't in good shape at all either.. Sting is in better physical shape than 'Taker..
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Nov 23, 2014 3:26:14 GMT -5
The reason I want to see the match is simple. Undertaker is the heart and soul of the WWE and Sting was the heart and soul of WCW. The 2 men that represented their brands for years. Put their looks and gimmicks aside, no one meant more to their respective brands than these two. This isn't 2001 though. I get what you're saying but I don't get the want for that match.. Triple H vs. Sting makes more sense in 2014 than Taker vs. Sting. The Undertaker isn't in good shape at all either.. Sting is in better physical shape than 'Taker.. Are there any recent pics of Sting? I wonder if he's in better shape now then when he left TNA. Noy that he was in bad shape, just suffering from the sands of time.
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Post by Word™ on Nov 23, 2014 3:43:14 GMT -5
This isn't 2001 though. I get what you're saying but I don't get the want for that match.. Triple H vs. Sting makes more sense in 2014 than Taker vs. Sting. The Undertaker isn't in good shape at all either.. Sting is in better physical shape than 'Taker.. Are there any recent pics of Sting? I wonder if he's in better shape now then when he left TNA. Noy that he was in bad shape, just suffering from the sands of time. Suffering from the sands of time and the pit of TNA.. He probably gave less of a damn about his physical appearance while he was there. When Sting appeared at, I think it was Comic Con? This past Summer, he already looked better than he has in recent memory.. Sting has 6 years on Taker at 55 years old, but Taker has more miles than Sting.. I personally do not wanna see Taker wrestle anymore.. He's old school (no pun), if his loss to Lesnar was him quietly retiring I'd be happy. Some people would love it if the WWE milked Taker until he couldn't ing walk anymore.. Wrestling fans are very selfish individuals.. They tend to forget that he collapsed after his match and was rushed to the hospital.. That wasn't a work, that was an old man losing consciousness after working a match with a concussion. Dude is in bad shape, it showed at Mania.. Just let him rest in peace. (that 2nd half wasn't directed at you either, just my general opinion on the matter)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 6:07:09 GMT -5
Why would he appear at Survivor Series? Maybe Wrestlemania but Survivor Series no. If The Rock can appear at Survivior Series to face R-Truth & The Miz, then Sting sure as hell can. After all, it still is considered one of the "big four" PPVs. Yeah but that was different the only reason the rock was there is because to build his feud with cena since that match was made months ago for WM.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 6:34:43 GMT -5
What reason do they have to feud? They both wear black coats and are "dark and mysterious"? A Sting vs. Undertaker feud makes absolutely no sense.. What makes even less sense is The Undertaker showing up to simply stare Sting down, like he stole his TV or something and can't file charges. Anyone vs. Sting, that's fine.. But The Undertaker vs. Sting has never made any sense to me, yet internet fanboys drool over a potential showdown between the two. Internet logic: "They have alot in common, they should feud". It has absolutely nothing to do with them wearing black, and everything to do with their longevity in the business. They are literally the last two of their kind, they both rose to prominence at roughly the same time, and each in one of the two biggest companies in the world. Undertaker never went to WCW (yes he was Mean Mark, but I'm talking about after he became relevant), and Sting never went to WWF. When guys would jump from one company to the other we saw the majority of our dream matches; Bret, Hogan, Savage, DDP, Goldberg, Nash, Hall, Big Show/Giant, Foley, Flair, Lex, Bulldog, Warrior etc all switched between companies and allowed us matches, or at least a deal of interaction with most of both of their biggest stars. Because Undertaker and Sting had stayed loyal to their respective companies, the match has never happened, everyone else from their era is gone, even The Rock and HHH are both guys who came into prominence nearly a decade after UT and Sting. This is literally the last dream match.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 6:36:40 GMT -5
About 13 years too late from when it would've really mattered and been relevant, and about 3 years too late when it would've mattered on a nostalgic level. He should've appeared in 2001 for the Invasion stuff, and the last time WWE was on a nostalgic kick was 2010/2011. I feel like if he does show up tonight, it's not going to feel like much? You have to remember in 2001 alot of the main eventers sat on monthly checks from their contracts after WCW closed its doors. Guys like Hall, Hogan, Nash, Steiner, Sting, Goldberg, Luger, Konnan, etc all had guaranteed contracts, which had to be payed even after the company closed. Luger & Konnan were never gonna get jobs. Difference was Steiner & Goldberg were willing to talk(not so much when they seen how DDP & Booker were treated). Vince keeps this BS excuse that he couldn't afford it. The Invasion PPV buyrate was a MONSTER with what we got. Imagine if Steiner & Goldberg had been on Team WCW? Simply put Vince and Steph were on a colossal ego trip in 2001.....they ahd no interest in making the angle anything other than one sided......by Summerslam thankfully fans caught onto that and WWE ratings went into freefall. They would then spend 2002 bringing all these dudes in to reverse the tide. The $$ Vince flushed on this angle is amazing......he could've had this play out for nearly a year-18 months if he had wanted.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 6:40:22 GMT -5
You have to remember in 2001 alot of the main eventers sat on monthly checks from their contracts after WCW closed its doors. Guys like Hall, Hogan, Nash, Steiner, Sting, Goldberg, Luger, Konnan, etc all had guaranteed contracts, which had to be payed even after the company closed. Luger & Konnan were never gonna get jobs. Difference was Steiner & Goldberg were willing to talk(not so much when they seen how DDP & Booker were treated). Vince keeps this BS excuse that he couldn't afford it. The Invasion PPV buyrate was a MONSTER with what we got. Imagine if Steiner & Goldberg had been on Team WCW? Simply put Vince and Steph were on a colossal ego trip in 2001.....they ahd no interest in making the angle anything other than one sided......by Summerslam thankfully fans caught onto that and WWE ratings went into freefall. They would then spend 2002 bringing all these dudes in to reverse the tide. The $$ Vince flushed on this angle is amazing......he could've had this play out for nearly a year-18 months if he had wanted. Why was Luger put on the "no hire" list?
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Post by Word™ on Nov 23, 2014 6:52:02 GMT -5
What reason do they have to feud? They both wear black coats and are "dark and mysterious"? A Sting vs. Undertaker feud makes absolutely no sense.. What makes even less sense is The Undertaker showing up to simply stare Sting down, like he stole his TV or something and can't file charges. Anyone vs. Sting, that's fine.. But The Undertaker vs. Sting has never made any sense to me, yet internet fanboys drool over a potential showdown between the two. Internet logic: "They have alot in common, they should feud". It has absolutely nothing to do with them wearing black, and everything to do with their longevity in the business. They are literally the last two of their kind, they both rose to prominence at roughly the same time, and each in one of the two biggest companies in the world. Undertaker never went to WCW (yes he was Mean Mark, but I'm talking about after he became relevant), and Sting never went to WWF. When guys would jump from one company to the other we saw the majority of our dream matches; Bret, Hogan, Savage, DDP, Goldberg, Nash, Hall, Big Show/Giant, Foley, Flair, Lex, Bulldog, Warrior etc all switched between companies and allowed us matches, or at least a deal of interaction with most of both of their biggest stars. Because Undertaker and Sting had stayed loyal to their respective companies, the match has never happened, everyone else from their era is gone, even The Rock and HHH are both guys who came into prominence nearly a decade after UT and Sting. This is literally the last dream match. Okay, well the wearing black comment wasn't a literal reason.. But on this forum I have seen absurd statements like that made in regards to why they should have a match.. Similar gimmicks and style has been used as a reason by members of this forum more than it should have. In 2001 everything you just said would have made total sense and I would be sold.. But going into 2015, it doesn't make any sense and I personally have no desire to see it..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 6:56:18 GMT -5
It has absolutely nothing to do with them wearing black, and everything to do with their longevity in the business. They are literally the last two of their kind, they both rose to prominence at roughly the same time, and each in one of the two biggest companies in the world. Undertaker never went to WCW (yes he was Mean Mark, but I'm talking about after he became relevant), and Sting never went to WWF. When guys would jump from one company to the other we saw the majority of our dream matches; Bret, Hogan, Savage, DDP, Goldberg, Nash, Hall, Big Show/Giant, Foley, Flair, Lex, Bulldog, Warrior etc all switched between companies and allowed us matches, or at least a deal of interaction with most of both of their biggest stars. Because Undertaker and Sting had stayed loyal to their respective companies, the match has never happened, everyone else from their era is gone, even The Rock and HHH are both guys who came into prominence nearly a decade after UT and Sting. This is literally the last dream match. Okay, well the wearing black comment wasn't a literal reason.. But on this forum I have seen absurd statements like that made in regards to why they should have a match.. Similar gimmicks and style has been used as a reason by members of this forum more than it should have. In 2001 everything you just said would have made total sense and I would be sold.. But going into 2015, it doesn't make any sense and I personally have no desire to see it.. Better late than never. I don't think it even needs to be a physical match, just look at Hogan vs. Rock at WM18, barely anything even happens in it, but it's still an amazing match on atmosphere alone, that's all it needs to be for Sting/UT IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 7:13:04 GMT -5
Luger & Konnan were never gonna get jobs. Difference was Steiner & Goldberg were willing to talk(not so much when they seen how DDP & Booker were treated). Vince keeps this BS excuse that he couldn't afford it. The Invasion PPV buyrate was a MONSTER with what we got. Imagine if Steiner & Goldberg had been on Team WCW? Simply put Vince and Steph were on a colossal ego trip in 2001.....they ahd no interest in making the angle anything other than one sided......by Summerslam thankfully fans caught onto that and WWE ratings went into freefall. They would then spend 2002 bringing all these dudes in to reverse the tide. The $$ Vince flushed on this angle is amazing......he could've had this play out for nearly a year-18 months if he had wanted. Why was Luger put on the "no hire" list? I believe(now I'm not sure AF and maybe somebody else has more info)it has to do with Luger's "betrayal" in 1995. apparently Luger & Medusa were on Vince's permanent sh*t list for a LONG time over the early days of Nitro and their heinous actions against the WWF....LOL. Jarrett(because of 99) & Savage would also infamously join this list.....that also contained Warrior & Ax. Others cite that Luger was just NOT worth rehiring in 2001 and then there was folks saying that Luger was infamous in wrestling circles for less than legal activities around this time.....which also makes sense because Sting couldn't get him a long term job in TNA either......just guest spots......
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 7:16:28 GMT -5
Why was Luger put on the "no hire" list? I believe(now I'm not sure AF and maybe somebody else has more info)it has to do with Luger's "betrayal" in 1995. apparently Luger & Medusa were on Vince's permanent sh*t list for a LONG time over the early days of Nitro and their heinous actions against the WWF....LOL. Jarrett(because of 99) & Savage would also infamously join this list.....that also contained Warrior & Ax. Others cite that Luger was just NOT worth rehiring in 2001 and then there was folks saying that Luger was infamous in wrestling circles for less than legal activities around this time.....which also makes sense because Sting couldn't get him a long term job in TNA either......just guest spots...... I guess that could be right, although Vince did business with Bischoff and others who were on the crap list too. I know full well about Jarrett lol! I seem to remember Vince coming out with a list of names at some point to the crowd and when he said Luger they booed.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 7:23:33 GMT -5
I believe(now I'm not sure AF and maybe somebody else has more info)it has to do with Luger's "betrayal" in 1995. apparently Luger & Medusa were on Vince's permanent sh*t list for a LONG time over the early days of Nitro and their heinous actions against the WWF....LOL. Jarrett(because of 99) & Savage would also infamously join this list.....that also contained Warrior & Ax. Others cite that Luger was just NOT worth rehiring in 2001 and then there was folks saying that Luger was infamous in wrestling circles for less than legal activities around this time.....which also makes sense because Sting couldn't get him a long term job in TNA either......just guest spots...... I guess that could be right, although Vince did business with Bischoff and others who were on the crap list too. I know full well about Jarrett lol! I seem to remember Vince coming out with a list of names at some point to the crowd and when he said Luger they booed. Ya see there was the crap list........Hogan, Bischoff, Nash etc etc....... then there was the no way back crap list.......Savage, Luger, JJ, Medusa...... LOL.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 7:34:44 GMT -5
I guess that could be right, although Vince did business with Bischoff and others who were on the crap list too. I know full well about Jarrett lol! I seem to remember Vince coming out with a list of names at some point to the crowd and when he said Luger they booed. Ya see there was the crap list........Hogan, Bischoff, Nash etc etc....... then there was the no way back crap list.......Savage, Luger, JJ, Medusa...... LOL. I'd love for Vince to write a tell all book, I think it'd be just about the most interesting book anyone in the business could write.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 7:39:05 GMT -5
Ya see there was the crap list........Hogan, Bischoff, Nash etc etc....... then there was the no way back crap list.......Savage, Luger, JJ, Medusa...... LOL. I'd love for Vince to write a tell all book, I think it'd be just about the most interesting book anyone in the business could write. Without a doubt AF......without a doubt.
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Post by Flair Forever on Nov 23, 2014 8:46:46 GMT -5
What reason do they have to feud? They both wear black coats and are "dark and mysterious"? A Sting vs. Undertaker feud makes absolutely no sense.. What makes even less sense is The Undertaker showing up to simply stare Sting down, like he stole his TV or something and can't file charges. Anyone vs. Sting, that's fine.. But The Undertaker vs. Sting has never made any sense to me, yet internet fanboys drool over a potential showdown between the two. Internet logic: "They have alot in common, they should feud". The reason I want to see the match is simple. Undertaker is the heart and soul of the WWE and Sting was the heart and soul of WCW. The 2 men that represented their brands for years. Put their looks and gimmicks aside, no one meant more to their respective brands than these two. Using that logic - I'd rather see Sting VS. HBK, or Sting VS. The Rock..... both would probably be better matches.... all were loyal to one brand & representative of them. On the topic of Survivor Series - I'll bet Sting just appears in the rafters, and stares down at either The Authority..... or Bray Wyatt.... depending on which direction they've decided to go. Sting's not scheduled for Raw/Smackdown next week - so I'm thinking this will just be the first of several "mysterious" appearances to build up his eventual match at WrestleMania.
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