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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Nov 21, 2014 0:54:40 GMT -5
I concur with you on that. If Lesnar/Bryan happened at SummerSlam instead, it wouldn't have been a good match. Lesnar's body can't seem to perform at that level he could have during his 2002-2004 run. I will say this, had we seen Lesnar/Triple H in the mid-2000's, it would have been a better match. Now, since both men have aged, their three matches were below average. It is sad Lesnar was jobbed right out of the gate against John Cena at Extreme Rules 2012. Absolutely in regards to Lesnars matches. And yeah, right off the bat having him lose to Cena really hurt his momentum moving forward. WWE has tried everything to regain it, including giving him the streak. Since Brock Lesnar ended the streak, I view it as the WWE doing damage control with him. I remember people groaned when John Cena went over Lesnar at Extreme Rules 2012. Lesnar should have been booked to look strong, not having him job right out of the gate. Now that you think of it, some may say the WWE has punished Lesnar from leaving the WWE and subsequently suing them. rustyy, Cain Velasquez tore his meniscus and sprained MCL in his right knee. He was slated to fight Fabricio Werdum at UFC 180 but had to pull out. He was replaced by Mark Hunt which he lost to Werdum in 2:27 in round two by way of TKO to capture the interim UFC Heavyweight Championship. Velasquez and Werdum are going to have a unification match for the UFC Heavyweight Championship sometime in 2015.
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Post by Joey Cush on Nov 21, 2014 0:58:38 GMT -5
Absolutely in regards to Lesnars matches. And yeah, right off the bat having him lose to Cena really hurt his momentum moving forward. WWE has tried everything to regain it, including giving him the streak. Since Brock Lesnar ended the streak, I view it as the WWE doing damage control with him. I remember people groaned when John Cena went over Lesnar at Extreme Rules 2012. Lesnar should have been booked to look strong, not having him job right out of the gate. Now that you think of it, some may say the WWE has punished Lesnar from leaving the WWE and subsequently suing them. Thats honestly what I thought when he lost to Cena initially, and I was super cool with it. But then when we found out Lesnar was not going to be a regular and his appearances would be scarce, I had no idea why they would have him lose his first match back.
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Post by Word™ on Nov 21, 2014 0:58:45 GMT -5
Lesnar proved all he needed too in MMA, he should stay where he belongs, The WWE. I love Brock to death, but he fought big name fighters that were past their prime.. The moment he started going up against other heavyweight fighters in their prime, he got beat.. Big part had to do with his stomach issue, but another part was how fast he got old in the UFC.. By the time he went up against Alistair Overeem, Brock Lesnar was nearing the end of his prime on-top of diverticulitis. But IF he did go back, he'd still be a threat.. Even when pushing 40 years old, Brock Lesnar is not someone you'd beat easily. He'd tackle your ass to the ground and just start pounding on your face. There's no doubt in my mind though, that if Brock Lesnar had started training for MMA straight out of college he would have went down as one of the most dominant fighters in the history of mixed martial arts.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Nov 21, 2014 1:07:38 GMT -5
There's no doubt in my mind though, that if Brock Lesnar had started training for MMA straight out of college he would have went down as one of the most dominant fighters in the history of mixed martial arts. I have the same mindset as you on this. If the UFC had the finances in 2000, no doubt Lesnar would have went to UFC rather than signing with the WWF. Imagine a fight with Lesnar and Randy Couture when Couture was in his prime? It should be worth mentioning, Couture was the age Lesnar is now back in 2000.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 1:35:29 GMT -5
Lesnar proved all he needed too in MMA, he should stay where he belongs, The WWE. He literally proved nothing. He beat an over-the-hill Frank Mir and Randy Couture. He beat a scrub in Herring and should have lost against Carwin, but a blind ref let him continue where he barely won with a crappy submission. If anything, he proved that he cannot compete with the top guys. Overeem isn't as good as the top Heavyweights, and Lesnar never stood a chance against him.
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Post by Duck Holliday on Nov 21, 2014 1:57:43 GMT -5
They really wasted his appearances on Cena, although it's Bryan's fault for getting injured. that's kind of a crapty way of looking at it. I'm not sure I care what Brock does at this point. I've enjoyed elements of his run, but do dislike him not being around to take advantage of being the champ. He was a fun "freak show" in UFC, but I don't really care much for MMA anymore.
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Post by Mr Angry Cena on Nov 21, 2014 2:17:26 GMT -5
Lesnar proved all he needed too in MMA, he should stay where he belongs, The WWE. He literally proved nothing. He beat an over-the-hill Frank Mir and Randy Couture. He beat a scrub in Herring and should have lost against Carwin, but a blind ref let him continue where he barely won with a crappy submission. If anything, he proved that he cannot compete with the top guys. Overeem isn't as good as the top Heavyweights, and Lesnar never stood a chance against him. I said he proved all he needed too, he beat four UFC veterans and had the balls to step in against a dynamite striker in Overeem. That Velasquez fight still pisses me off though.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 2:18:22 GMT -5
He literally proved nothing. He beat an over-the-hill Frank Mir and Randy Couture. He beat a scrub in Herring and should have lost against Carwin, but a blind ref let him continue where he barely won with a crappy submission. If anything, he proved that he cannot compete with the top guys. Overeem isn't as good as the top Heavyweights, and Lesnar never stood a chance against him. I said he proved all he needed too, he beat four UFC veterans and had the balls to step in against a dynamite striker in Overeem. That Velasquez fight still pisses me off though. He beat guys that were smaller than him and well past their prime. All he proved is that he can bully guys smaller than him, barely barely survive against one his size in Carwin, and anybody with legitimate talent his size, he was completely overmatched. Vasquez would definitely beat him 100 times out of 100.
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Post by Word™ on Nov 21, 2014 2:27:36 GMT -5
I am completely confident that Lesnar could beat the brakes off Roy Nelson tho..
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Post by Mr Angry Cena on Nov 21, 2014 2:30:55 GMT -5
I said he proved all he needed too, he beat four UFC veterans and had the balls to step in against a dynamite striker in Overeem. That Velasquez fight still pisses me off though. He beat guys that were smaller than him and well past their prime. All he proved is that he can bully guys smaller than him, barely barely survive against one his size in Carwin, and anybody with legitimate talent his size, he was completely overmatched. Vasquez would definitely beat him 100 times out of 100. Brock's problem is his striking, he has a punch heavy style which doesn't work for him because his technique is off. Velasquez is obviously a better striker, more fluid, quicker and way more diverse attack. Their wrestling skill is equal, and Velasquez is clearly a more proficient submission grappler. I agree Brock would lose most of the time against Cain.
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Post by Mr Angry Cena on Nov 21, 2014 2:34:33 GMT -5
I am completely confident that Lesnar could beat the brakes off Roy Nelson tho.. I can't see Nelson being able to catch Brock in a submission off his back, which is where Nelson would be if he fought Brock so I agree .
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Post by Word™ on Nov 21, 2014 2:41:43 GMT -5
He beat guys that were smaller than him and well past their prime. All he proved is that he can bully guys smaller than him, barely barely survive against one his size in Carwin, and anybody with legitimate talent his size, he was completely overmatched. Vasquez would definitely beat him 100 times out of 100. Brock's problem is his striking, he has a punch heavy style which doesn't work for him because his technique is off. Velasquez is obviously a better striker, more fluid, quicker and way more diverse attack. Their wrestling skill is equal, and Velasquez is clearly a more proficient submission grappler. I agree Brock would lose most of the time against Cain. Even though Brock Lesnar doesn't have great striking capabilities.. All it would take from Lesnar is one take down and he would be in complete control from that point.. Really no matter who he is up against from Velasquez back to Overeem.. 9 times out of 10, if they gave Lesnar a small window for that take down and leverage, Lesnar wins.. Make no mistake he's still a force.. He's not a good striker, but you're totally ed if he gets a solid take down.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 2:47:26 GMT -5
I am completely confident that Lesnar could beat the brakes off Roy Nelson tho.. Disagree. Roy Nelson has an underrated ground game, a superior striking style and a much much much stronger chin. He would beat Lesnar more often than not.
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Post by Word™ on Nov 21, 2014 2:51:45 GMT -5
I am completely confident that Lesnar could beat the brakes off Roy Nelson tho.. Disagree. Roy Nelson has an underrated ground game, a superior striking style and a much much much stronger chin. He would beat Lesnar more often than not. I'm not saying Roy Nelson isn't good on the ground, I'm saying Brock Lesnar is better on the ground.. Lesnar also has about 25 pounds on Nelson..
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Post by Mr Angry Cena on Nov 21, 2014 2:53:53 GMT -5
Brock's problem is his striking, he has a punch heavy style which doesn't work for him because his technique is off. Velasquez is obviously a better striker, more fluid, quicker and way more diverse attack. Their wrestling skill is equal, and Velasquez is clearly a more proficient submission grappler. I agree Brock would lose most of the time against Cain. Even though Brock Lesnar doesn't have great striking capabilities.. All it would take from Lesnar is one take down and he would be in complete control from that point.. Really no matter who he is up against from Velasquez back to Overeem.. 9 times out of 10, if they gave Lesnar a small window for that take down and leverage, Lesnar wins.. Make no mistake he's still a force.. He's not a good striker, but you're totally ed if he gets a solid take down. Brock is an excellent wrestler, he took Cain down in their fight although he managed to get back up. If Brock can take an opponent down, he has the strength and skill to keep them there and unleash some nasty right hands. It's too bad Brock isn't a solid technical striker, guys like Overeem and Cain lit Brock up on the feet.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 2:55:44 GMT -5
Disagree. Roy Nelson has an underrated ground game, a superior striking style and a much much much stronger chin. He would beat Lesnar more often than not. I'm not saying Roy Nelson isn't good on the ground, I'm saying Brock Lesnar is better on the ground.. Lesnar also has about 25 pounds on Nelson.. Lesnar is only better at taking him to the ground. Nelson is a legitimate threat on the ground. Lesnar would lose 75% of the time. Lesnar is not a good fighter.
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Post by Mr Angry Cena on Nov 21, 2014 2:57:08 GMT -5
I am completely confident that Lesnar could beat the brakes off Roy Nelson tho.. Disagree. Roy Nelson has an underrated ground game, a superior striking style and a much much much stronger chin. He would beat Lesnar more often than not. The Lesnar hate is real with this one. P.S jk
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 3:00:39 GMT -5
Disagree. Roy Nelson has an underrated ground game, a superior striking style and a much much much stronger chin. He would beat Lesnar more often than not. The Lesnar hate is real with this one. P.S jk I like Lesnar in WWE, but he's not a good UFC fighter.
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Post by Mr Angry Cena on Nov 21, 2014 3:02:19 GMT -5
The Lesnar hate is real with this one. P.S jk I like Lesnar in WWE, but he's not a good UFC fighter. He's quite the attraction and one hell of a wrestler though.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 3:03:55 GMT -5
I like Lesnar in WWE, but he's not a good UFC fighter. He's quite the attraction and one hell of a wrestler though. Well yeah, the dude is a physical freak lol.
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