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Post by JC Motors on Oct 30, 2014 12:42:55 GMT -5
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Post by guster on Oct 30, 2014 12:43:43 GMT -5
Just because a figure is bigger doesn't mean they spent more money in raw materials. Jakks has used existing body molds for nearly their entire TNA line. This is something they've done going all the way back to the BCA days (see JJ/Owen). With the exception of the Knockouts and Samao Joe, they only have to get new heads made. The set-up, testing, and production of a new injection mold is very costly. Not to mention, Mattels are more detailed and accurate. Jakks may include say a logo on some bodies leg, but more times then not they'll cut corners and make it smaller then it's real life counter part which saves money. Mattel rarely cuts these corners.
Sure Mattels may cost a dollar or two more then they should. But we're talking about the #1 boys line. People are paying. Mattel will take the money.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 16:23:29 GMT -5
I would say no, but, if the biggest toymaker, Hasbro wanted the deal, I'm sure they could do it
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Post by Halloween King on Oct 30, 2014 16:31:53 GMT -5
I would say no, but, if the biggest toymaker, Hasbro Lego wanted the deal, I'm sure they could do it I recently saw on the news that they said Mattel was just over taken by Lego as the number 1 toy maker in the world.
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Post by SteveHulk on Oct 30, 2014 17:28:43 GMT -5
Just because a figure is bigger doesn't mean they spent more money in raw materials. Jakks has used existing body molds for nearly their entire TNA line. This is something they've done going all the way back to the BCA days (see JJ/Owen). With the exception of the Knockouts and Samao Joe, they only have to get new heads made. The set-up, testing, and production of a new injection mold is very costly. Not to mention, Mattels are more detailed and accurate. Jakks may include say a logo on some bodies leg, but more times then not they'll cut corners and make it smaller then it's real life counter part which saves money. Mattel rarely cuts these corners. Sure Mattels may cost a dollar or two more then they should. But we're talking about the #1 boys line. People are paying. Mattel will take the money. ^ ...what he said. And there's a reason Jakks no longer has the WWE licence... Mattel probably have to charge more as their deal is more expensive.
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Post by bharrisfan on Oct 30, 2014 19:42:45 GMT -5
mattels are awesome. that said there are advancements that could be made:
double jointed elbows
...that's all i can think of other than improvements in scan/sculpt/paint technology
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Post by tenup on Oct 30, 2014 22:00:06 GMT -5
To be clear the postive reception toward Mattel figures doesn't necessarily have to do with it being the new product on the block. As I mentioned earlier I find quality in the older WWF BCA figure line from Jakks that I personally think is the best for overall playability. I understand that this is a subjective matter but Milincoln King of the Road I find your arguement invalid in many aspects. For instance you claim Jakks figures were exaggerated representations of the wrestlers however, many of them such as Matt Morgan were shamefully puny in size to other guys who they should have towered over. Imagine a toy company who produces Street Fighter figures who makes Sagat the same scale as Ryu. And prices of Mattels varies depending on what medium you buy them in. I chose to use Ebay for the most part to find deals on lots and such. As an alternative I would occasionally check my local Family Dollars/Lot Less and sometimes strike a win with some great finds. Jakks had its 15 year run and their effort got lazy as it went on. Mattel is 4 years in and have remained consistent and continues to deliver in their Elite and Basic lines which I personally enjoy.
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Post by mrhoss on Oct 30, 2014 22:15:13 GMT -5
To be clear the postive reception toward Mattel figures doesn't necessarily have to do with it being the new product on the block. As I mentioned earlier I find quality in the older WWF BCA figure line from Jakks that I personally think is the best for overall playability. I understand that this is a subjective matter but Milincoln King of the Road I find your arguement invalid in many aspects. For instance you claim Jakks figures were exaggerated representations of the wrestlers however, many of them such as Matt Morgan were shamefully puny in size to other guys who they should have towered over. Imagine a toy company who produces Street Fighter figures who makes Sagat the same scale as Ryu. And prices of Mattels varies depending on what medium you buy them in. I chose to use Ebay for the most part to find deals on lots and such. As and alternative I would occasionally check my local Family Dollars/Lot Less and sometimes strike a win with some great finds. Jakks had its 15 year run and their effort got lazy as it went on. Mattel is 4 years in and have remained consistent and continues to deliver in their Elite and Basic lines which I personally enjoy.
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Post by tenup on Oct 30, 2014 22:17:48 GMT -5
Oh gosh how can i forget those GI Joe figures hahaha. Good One mrhoss!
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Post by | NLS™ | on Oct 31, 2014 0:22:04 GMT -5
Everything comes to an end, my friend. Eventually.
But when that time comes... Something better will have come along and stole the spotlight.
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Post by The Everlasting Spirit © on Oct 31, 2014 3:11:28 GMT -5
...isn't this more to do with the economy and rising costs though? I mean, the Jakks Classic line started 10+ years ago... if Mattel were making Elites then, they'd probably be much cheaper too. The economy has little to do with it. The proof is in the fact that you can still go to the store and buy a Jakks Deluxe TNA figure for 9.99 to 11.99. Hmm... 9.99. Kind of makes me think there is something else you can get for 9.99. Can't quite remember what it is though. Maybe it's something I've seen on to? Just kidding, but yes Jakks were and are cheaper but then the product is not half as good as Mattel elites. I say that as a previous www Jakks competitor. I agree that £17.99 feels a little high but they are definitely worth more than Jakks.
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Post by Halloween King on Oct 31, 2014 9:52:07 GMT -5
The economy has little to do with it. The proof is in the fact that you can still go to the store and buy a Jakks Deluxe TNA figure for 9.99 to 11.99. Hmm... 9.99. Kind of makes me think there is something else you can get for 9.99. Can't quite remember what it is though. Maybe it's something I've seen on to? Just kidding, but yes Jakks were and are cheaper but then the product is not half as good as Mattel elites. I say that as a previous www Jakks competitor. I agree that £17.99 feels a little high but they are definitely worth more than Jakks. How is Mattel better than Jakks? They both have their pros and cons. Look at it this way. What if you arent a wrestling fan. What if one day you go to Toys R Us and your son asks you for a wrestling toy. You see a Jakks figure for 9.99 and you see a Mattel figure for 22.99. What is it about Mattel that would lead you to spend more than double? Do you really think small children care about scale? Do you think scale, which is not advertised on the packaging, will lead a parent to spend more than double on Mattel? Do you think accessories would come into play? Would the parent buy the figure that came with the most accessories? Will the figure's size come into play at all? Mattel's are quite scrawny compared to Jakks. Most people on these forums, especially the Mattel board, claim Mattel makes better figures. What makes them better though? It isnt so easy to really be able to prove one is better than the other. Both Jakks and Mattel have articulation, which I would think is the most important feature for a toy to have. Personally I think the biggest advantage Mattel has over Jakks is the wwe license. I think it's the characters that drive people to spend money, not so much that one is better than the other. I think Jakks makes a better figure BUT I buy Mattel because Mattel has new stuff in store often. Where as Jakks releases one wave a year it seems.
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Post by tenup on Oct 31, 2014 10:07:26 GMT -5
Milincoln King of the Road I think its best you leave this board and stay in the Jakks section. Your kind aint welcome in these parts! JJKing but in all seriousness you are reaching too much with this whole "which line is better". The whole idea of this board was to bring up the question that if Mattel were to ever go under or maybe even change their game altogether and produce a totally new/inovative product, will it be easy to get over WWE elite figures? We all know how difficult it can be to start over with a new collection series so with so many of us in our comfort zones with Mattel I doubt anyone will be pleased with any sort of change in the game. Mattel is proving to be ahead of the race when it comes to wrestling figures so dont doubt that fact.
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Post by mrhoss on Oct 31, 2014 13:25:14 GMT -5
Mattel brought credibility to wrestling figures. Almost every action figure collector, who wasn't a wrestling fan, thought Jakks figures were a joke. Now, I see posters on other boards at least admit Mattel is putting out a quality product, even if they're not necessarily a WWE fan. Personally, I collected Jakks because they were WWE. I wouldn't give Jakks a second thought if it weren't for the WWE and I'm the type of collector who will buy a figure if it looks cool, even if I have no attachment to the license.
BTW, if you asked ten average non toy collectors which figure they liked best out of RA, DA, Basic, or Elite, I bet seven would chose the Mattel Basic. Jakks bodies look too freaky, Elites have too many articulation cuts, but the Basics have better, human looking anatomy that flows together.
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Post by IwasULTIMATE!!!! on Oct 31, 2014 18:17:02 GMT -5
Still though when I was buying Jakks Classics they cost me 9.99. The regular RA's use to cost me 6.99 to 8.99. An Elite costs 22.99 at my local target, that's more than twice the price. I'd rather have two figures WITH accessories that arent painted on the backside as opposed to 1 figure that is painted but comes with nothing. ...isn't this more to do with the economy and rising costs though? I mean, the Jakks Classic line started 10+ years ago... if Mattel were making Elites then, they'd probably be much cheaper too. How dare you use logic and common sense in an argument against Milincoln.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2014 19:41:31 GMT -5
More like..... OBSELITE!
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