Razzerian
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Post by Razzerian on Oct 28, 2014 10:07:21 GMT -5
I personally don't think it will. Even if another company/wrestling promotion produces a line of figs, it will pale in comparison to Mattel. Even when/after Mattel no longer produces WWE figs, I think it will be the best company to have ever produced WWE figs. I think Hasbro could easily do a compareable job. They use pretty much the same material for their current 6" lines already and have similar articulation. Or someone like NECA (doubt they'd have make wrestling figures but that's besides the point) could make fantastic figures. The amount of detailt hat NECA put in their 6" lines is simply unmatched by other manufacturers, but of course they're aimed at collectors. Whilst Mattel are trying to create these toys for both collectors & kids.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Oct 28, 2014 10:08:27 GMT -5
I think NECA could make way better wrestling figures than Mattel...but the problem is that you would get like 15 figures a year.
To pump out the number of figures that Mattel puts out a year under the WWE brand, you need to cut some corners someplace.....this is why we have rubber shirts, figures with no accessories, a lot of boring black attires, a lot of unrealistic re-used body parts, and a lot of really really really really really messy paint apps.
Unfortunately, it's just the cost of doing business. You raise up the quality, and the quantity of characters would go way down. Because they'd still need to get the Cena's, Big Show's, Orton's, and Mysterio's in, so you might get one or two new characters a YEAR.
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Post by The Mask of Truth on Oct 28, 2014 10:19:13 GMT -5
I hope not. Too much money has already gone into my collection, and if Mattel stopped making WWE figures, I'd just quit.
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Post by RybackV1 on Oct 28, 2014 10:33:22 GMT -5
I grew up with Jakks had many Christmas' as a child with loads of jakks. So naturally I should be partial to JAKKS.
But im not. At all.
They sucked. Their scale issues and balloon heads were unacceptable. TTLs were better than RAs which were better than DAs. They regressed as time went on
Mattel is getting so much better as time goes on. Look at some of their early product compared to now. My god they have turned wrestling figures into works of art. Mattel is 100% better than JAKKS.
So no I don't think they'll be obsolete for several more decades unless WWE goes real edgy again and Mattel drops the liscense.
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Post by Halloween King on Oct 28, 2014 11:58:05 GMT -5
Is Mattel better than Jakks? You pretty much answered your own question seconds later... You realize Mattel took a look at what Jakks was doing and then improved on it right? Improved on it, exactly. So that per definition means "made it better". It's easy for a 2014 Chevy car to be better than a 2000 Ford. The 2014 model will have a USB port, gps, built in wifi, and heated seats where the 2000 will not have any of those.. It isnt because Chevy is better or Ford is better, it is just because the maker has added extras to try and improve the customers over all satisfaction. That just applies to anything in life. A new product will always seem nicer than an older product. Fun analogy, but to my knowledge Jakks are still making wrestling figures to this day and haven't followed Mattel in their 'improvements on their design', so they're pretty much in stagnant state and aren't doing all that much to improve their product. Therefore your argument simply isn't valid. And for the record, I like Jakks, if it wasn't for their failure to scale their figures I'd consider buying them still. But having an Undertaker being the same height as a Mysterio (or in TNA's case having Abyss being the same height as Angle, or whatever) is just absolutely silly. And it's not like Mattel are the only toy company who are capable of making their toys scale. Toybiz had scaling figures back in the day. The Gian was bigger than Hogan, Nash was bigger than Hogan, etc. It's hard to comprehend that after years and years Jakks still didn't improve on their arguably largest flaw in their lines. Personally im not a fan of some issues I see Mattel has. I'll admit I love seeing the Von Erichs, Macho Man, and all the other guys Mattel has made that were not made into Jakks figures. That won't make me say Mattel is better than Jakks though. I really like the elites, but I think that basics are simply horrible, their legs are posed in such an unnatural way and it's something I see as Mattel's major flaw and I find it difficult to understand why they just don't spread them a bit more and make the figures stand more natural. As a collector I'm a big fan of the Elite lan, but sometimes when posing certain figures I'm scared to break their leg joints in all honesty. And if I as a collector am afraid to do so, then what about a kid who's playing with it? So I fully agree that Mattel have their own issues. And there's definitely room for improvement. But I do think that the generation of 2010-... elites will hold up in 10 years. And really is it fair to compare the two? Mattel is the second largest toy manufacture in the world, second to Legos who just overtook them. Of course the bigger company will have many more resources at their disposal. Sure it is, Jakks had over a decade of experience with wrestling figures, plenty of time to improve their products. Simply scaling the figures would've done wonders I think and you're not going to tell me that woudl've cost them a fortune. One day a company will come along and out bid Mattel for the wwe license. Or mattel will cease to want to make wwe toys. That day there will be new figures. You'll forever be nostalgic when it comes to Mattel figures. And you'll see someone knock the figures you love so much just because the new figures will have some special new concept to them. If I'd have a kid and I'd buy figures for him/her, playability wise, I think Jakks are better and more durable. I love the elite line but as I've said... sometimes I feel that they're not made for kids. Scale is the only thing Mattel has done to improve on the figures, that I know of. Jakks figures are sturdier and better in terms of materials used to produce them. I've already read a few people mention that Mattel Elites break easily when they have cup in ball leg joints. Mattel figures are considerably smaller than Jakks figures so I tend to think Mattel uses less raw materials to produce a figure, as such they save more money. Mattel is also incredibly stingy when it comes to accessories. The E26 Warrior, had it been Jakks, would have come with a title belt. But Mattel gave us nothing. Both companies have their pros and cons. Most people love Mattel more because Mattel is what's new and everyone loves what's new. What you're telling me is that you like Mattel better cause Mattel is to scale, something they get wrong often. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I enjoy Mattel figures. Personally I like Jakks better though. Jakks cost less than half what Mattel costs, is a bigger/bulkier figure, and comes with an accessory. Jakks was the first wwe figure maker to do a classics/legends line so to me that was awesome. I got a lot of figures of wrestlers who werent on television for some years. With mattel not being on television is a guarantee that they wont make a figure.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Oct 28, 2014 12:01:35 GMT -5
The E26 Warrior, had it been Jakks, would have come with a title belt. Or a cookie tray. The only thing we know for sure is it would've had no back deco.
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Post by Halloween King on Oct 28, 2014 12:12:35 GMT -5
The E26 Warrior, had it been Jakks, would have come with a title belt. Or a cookie tray. The only thing we know for sure is it would've had no back deco. True, Jakks often did not paint backsides. I also hated when I would find that Jakks legs warp if you leave figures in a pile for a long time. Still though when I was buying Jakks Classics they cost me 9.99. The regular RA's use to cost me 6.99 to 8.99. An Elite costs 22.99 at my local target, that's more than twice the price. I'd rather have two figures WITH accessories that arent painted on the backside as opposed to 1 figure that is painted but comes with nothing. At the end of the day every toy maker has it's pros and cons. So I know for a fact that YES one day a company will come along and people will frown on Mattels.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Oct 28, 2014 12:24:44 GMT -5
At the end of the day every toy maker has it's pros and cons. So I know for a fact that YES one day a company will come along and people will frown on Mattels. Hopefully the company after Mattel will be even better, and we'll all have the sense to realise it instead of clinging onto the worse old days.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2014 12:31:31 GMT -5
I personally don't think it will. Even if another company/wrestling promotion produces a line of figs, it will pale in comparison to Mattel. Even when/after Mattel no longer produces WWE figs, I think it will be the best company to have ever produced WWE figs. I think Hasbro could easily do a compareable job. They use pretty much the same material for their current 6" lines already and have similar articulation. Or someone like NECA (doubt they'd have make wrestling figures but that's besides the point) could make fantastic figures. The amount of detailt hat NECA put in their 6" lines is simply unmatched by other manufacturers, but of course they're aimed at collectors. Whilst Mattel are trying to create these toys for both collectors & kids. Thing with Hasbro is this, would they be willing to produce figures taller than there usual 6" scale? As far as NECA, I absolutely agree that they would knock NEARLY any other line out of the park! The problem I feel with them would be 1.) The time span between releases as stated already and 2.) The lack of articulation that many of us love. High end detail, would be excellent! Same with McFarlane. It's just there focus, like you said, is aimed more towards a collector then someone who plays with there figs.
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Post by Halloween King on Oct 28, 2014 12:37:04 GMT -5
At the end of the day every toy maker has it's pros and cons. So I know for a fact that YES one day a company will come along and people will frown on Mattels. Hopefully the company after Mattel will be even better, and we'll all have the sense to realise it instead of clinging onto the worse old days. You never know. Some people see something new and they are quick to toss aside what they have. Other people value what they have so when something new comes along they might buy into the new product but they will still keep and value what they have.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2014 12:46:57 GMT -5
Everything becomes obsolete, eventually.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2014 14:00:27 GMT -5
Everything becomes obsolete, eventually. LMAO. Kudos for the pessimism. Now of you'll excuse me, I'm getting a fax and my dial up internet is being stingy today. I shouldn't have spilled that can of crystal Pepsi all over the wiring while trying to rewind my vhs tape to record the new episodes of Blossom and Mighty Morpin' Power Rangers.
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Oct 28, 2014 18:21:05 GMT -5
I will always prefer Jakks, just because they're figures were more cost effective and you'd get an accessory everytime without having to brake the bank for it. Say what you want about scale, but they're action figures after all, they're meant to be a much more exaggerated form of the wrestlers you see on TV. The Deluxe Aggression line was proof of that. I wasn't collecting when Jakks lost the license but I was sad when I found out, because of how good they were to the collectors. So much variety, so much great memories. Mattel built on that, but I don't think they will ever beat Jakks. If I was a kid growing up today collecting Mattel, I'd obviously think different, but for me, long live Jakks Pacific.
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Post by vashts on Oct 28, 2014 19:15:52 GMT -5
Maybe 3d printers will allow us to print out our own favorite likenesses and attires for our favorite superstars That would be illegal. Illegal, how much porn and youtube and downloadeable content do you watch? It's illegal because those who have decide for those who have not. Instead, Mattel should keep making outstanding products and hey...improve them. I want double elbows and ability for my wrestlers too look up....Mattel has 3-4 years and zero improvements....just check their DCUC line and their continuous garbage. Where is the armpit joints?
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Post by Jordan on Oct 28, 2014 19:57:40 GMT -5
Illegal, how much porn and youtube and downloadeable content do you watch? It's illegal because those who have decide for those who have not. Instead, Mattel should keep making outstanding products and hey...improve them. I want double elbows and ability for my wrestlers too look up....Mattel has 3-4 years and zero improvements....just check their DCUC line and their continuous garbage. Where is the armpit joints? It's still illegal, it doesn't matter if you watch stuff on YouTube it's still illegal. Even though I'd probably try it if 3d printers get cheaper.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2014 21:17:23 GMT -5
Lots to think about there...I'm not sure, but at this stage, Mattel has done a sterling job.
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Post by SteveHulk on Oct 29, 2014 2:07:10 GMT -5
Still though when I was buying Jakks Classics they cost me 9.99. The regular RA's use to cost me 6.99 to 8.99. An Elite costs 22.99 at my local target, that's more than twice the price. I'd rather have two figures WITH accessories that arent painted on the backside as opposed to 1 figure that is painted but comes with nothing. ...isn't this more to do with the economy and rising costs though? I mean, the Jakks Classic line started 10+ years ago... if Mattel were making Elites then, they'd probably be much cheaper too.
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Post by Halloween King on Oct 29, 2014 10:42:57 GMT -5
Still though when I was buying Jakks Classics they cost me 9.99. The regular RA's use to cost me 6.99 to 8.99. An Elite costs 22.99 at my local target, that's more than twice the price. I'd rather have two figures WITH accessories that arent painted on the backside as opposed to 1 figure that is painted but comes with nothing. ...isn't this more to do with the economy and rising costs though? I mean, the Jakks Classic line started 10+ years ago... if Mattel were making Elites then, they'd probably be much cheaper too. The economy has little to do with it. The proof is in the fact that you can still go to the store and buy a Jakks Deluxe TNA figure for 9.99 to 11.99.
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Post by SteveHulk on Oct 30, 2014 11:01:00 GMT -5
...isn't this more to do with the economy and rising costs though? I mean, the Jakks Classic line started 10+ years ago... if Mattel were making Elites then, they'd probably be much cheaper too. The economy has little to do with it. The proof is in the fact that you can still go to the store and buy a Jakks Deluxe TNA figure for 9.99 to 11.99. Well, I do think the economy has something to do with it... I mean, most "collectible" 6" toy lines are also around the same price as Mattel Elites (Star Wars Black Series, Marvel Legends/6" to name two). Fact is, everything costs more these days... I remember when ToyBiz had the Marvel Legends line, only paying about £8.99 or £9.99 a figure - now they're up to £16.99... and Star Wars Black are £19.99 here (£2 more expensive than Mattel Elites). Jakks TNA figures maybe cheaper, but they look cheaper and less-well made, IMO (the balloon arms are a killer!) - I'd much rather pay extra and get a great looking figure with an accessory.
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Post by Halloween King on Oct 30, 2014 11:58:22 GMT -5
The economy has little to do with it. The proof is in the fact that you can still go to the store and buy a Jakks Deluxe TNA figure for 9.99 to 11.99. Well, I do think the economy has something to do with it... I mean, most "collectible" 6" toy lines are also around the same price as Mattel Elites (Star Wars Black Series, Marvel Legends/6" to name two). Fact is, everything costs more these days... I remember when ToyBiz had the Marvel Legends line, only paying about £8.99 or £9.99 a figure - now they're up to £16.99... and Star Wars Black are £19.99 here (£2 more expensive than Mattel Elites). Jakks TNA figures maybe cheaper, but they look cheaper and less-well made, IMO (the balloon arms are a killer!) - I'd much rather pay extra and get a great looking figure with an accessory. Say what you will about Jakks and the bigger arms, the fact remains that Jakks figures cost the same today as they did back when they first made classics. Where as Mattel costs more than twice the price. Personally I like the look of Jakks figures more than the look of Mattel figures. I'll admit the Jakks figures do look bulky but I like that. The Mattel figures look way to scrawny. To me wrestlers should be larger than life, both on screen, and in figure form. Even if you do not like the bigger Jakks, just look at the figure. It is considerably bigger than a Mattel figure. The size alone tells me Jakks spent more raw materials to produce the figure. I would think since Mattel uses less Raw Materials the savings would be reflected in the retail price, but no they are not. This is why I do not think the economy has dictated that figures from 2000 cost less then half what figures cost in 2014. Prices don't always reflect the economy, they often reflect what the partnership with a toy maker and license costs. I'll give you an example. I can go to Babies R Us and buy a blanket for my baby. They'll have a blanket with a teddy bear on it for 20.99. Right next to it will be a blanket from the same maker but with Winnie the Pooh on it instead of a random teddy bear. The winnie the pooh blanket will cost 25.99 The extra 5 dollars are not because the Pooh blanket is nicer, it costs more cause Winnie wants to make money for lending his image to the blanket maker. So either wwe is charging Mattel more for the rights to a toy line or Mattel just wants to make more money than Jakks wanted to make off of figures. I tend to think it is just that Mattel wants more money.
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