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Post by Mirror Images on Sept 30, 2014 17:18:47 GMT -5
Recently there have been a lot of stop/start pushes, Cesaro,Bray Wyatt, Big E, Damien Sandow to name a few. Is this because fans are impatient to see the finished product not a work in progress. Or is WWE simply not persistent enough pushing a character for a certain length of time??
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Sept 30, 2014 17:26:45 GMT -5
One of the main issues the WWE is facing today is they push a guy and later demote him back to a mid-card talent. This hurts the WWE at a critical time when they need main event and top level guys. The WWE could have had more depth in their main event pool had they not aborted pushes of guys like Cesaro. The WWE would be foolish not to push The Shield into top level guys. They need more main eventers, not less.
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Post by johnnyb on Sept 30, 2014 20:13:22 GMT -5
The biggest problem is that right now, they have a booking committee that apparently has 20-30 members. There's no way you can coherently book anyone on the roster (except SuperCena, who is easy to book because he always murders everyone) when you have all of those different ideas, plans, interests and agendas. You just can't do it.
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Sept 30, 2014 22:04:54 GMT -5
What, a push? No, everyone has to be equal at all times. If you beat me, I get to beat you. That's fair. Unless your name is John Cena. Then I never win.
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Sept 30, 2014 23:21:37 GMT -5
Yeah I think the writing team has evolved to have too many moving parts involved. It's hard to streamline who's to be pushed when you have 20 differing opinions.
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Post by jcjdotcom on Oct 1, 2014 8:27:18 GMT -5
I was actually thinking about this last night. I really like Cesaro & Sandow and I think Wyatt has a great character, but I've been frustrated by the start/stop pushes they've received. However, I've come to realize that it's better this way.
It gives me something to hope for and something to be angry about when it doesn't happen. What's more fun than complaining on the Internet. It's like a TV show with the will they/won't they romantic entanglements. Everyone wants them to get together, but when they finally do, the show isn't good any more because the tension and excitement is gone. The Title Belt is the superstar's love interest. Once they finally get together, the anticipation and excitement is gone and Internet stops liking them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 9:10:52 GMT -5
Vince & creative are the issue here. WWE's Creative structure needs to be torn down and rebuilt in the worst way imaginable. They seem incapable of sustain their own interest(let alone the fans) in guys that aren't in the absolute top tier.
They struggle with the mid card scene incredibly. the only certainty now in the tag division is that you will be broken up for no reason if you aren't that tag champs or currently challenging them.
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Post by Slim on Oct 1, 2014 12:50:13 GMT -5
The Authority. Seth Rollins is Mr. Money in the Bank. Brock Lesnar is Champion. Orton wants to be a champion and Cena too.
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Post by Sleazyness on Oct 1, 2014 13:54:54 GMT -5
WWE is in a crisis situation. They don't have top stars like they used to. They have them on the roster, but don't make them act as top stars. A lot of it comes down to timing and with people getting injured a lot recently, WWE is kind of put in the situation to where they need to build up more people. The way they are doing it is rather quick and the timing is there, but like I said, I honestly think WWE has built themselves into a corner.
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Post by marino13 on Oct 1, 2014 15:08:47 GMT -5
I blame it on the new logo.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 15:11:10 GMT -5
The biggest problem is that right now, they have a booking committee that apparently has 20-30 members. There's no way you can coherently book anyone on the roster (except SuperCena, who is easy to book because he always murders everyone) when you have all of those different ideas, plans, interests and agendas. You just can't do it.
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Post by rustyy on Oct 1, 2014 15:22:30 GMT -5
People shouldn't blame creative, it's all Vince. Creative is there just to pitch ideas, they don't write anything unless he approves it. Vince is the problem, he wants one guy to be on top and everyone else below him.
Yes, WWE has a lot of trouble pushing people. To justify it, they make up stupid reasons like they are injury prime, or have an attitude problem. I wish WCW was still here.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 15:29:57 GMT -5
People shouldn't blame creative, it's all Vince. Creative is there just to pitch ideas, they don't write anything unless he approves it. Vince is the problem, he wants one guy to be on top and everyone else below him. Yes, WWE has a lot of trouble pushing people. To justify it, they make up stupid reasons like they are injury prime, or have an attitude problem. I wish WCW was still here. If WCW would have been bought out in 2001 when Bischoff tried to get his sh-t together, it probably still would have died by like 2006.
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Post by rustyy on Oct 1, 2014 15:32:59 GMT -5
People shouldn't blame creative, it's all Vince. Creative is there just to pitch ideas, they don't write anything unless he approves it. Vince is the problem, he wants one guy to be on top and everyone else below him. Yes, WWE has a lot of trouble pushing people. To justify it, they make up stupid reasons like they are injury prime, or have an attitude problem. I wish WCW was still here. If WCW would have been bought out in 2001 when Bischoff tried to get his sh-t together, it probably still would have died by like 2006. Well, it would have made the RA era better at least.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 15:34:43 GMT -5
What, a push? No, everyone has to be equal at all times. If you beat me, I get to beat you. That's fair. Unless your name is John Cena. Then I never win. This Ahahaha
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Post by marino13 on Oct 1, 2014 15:36:11 GMT -5
People shouldn't blame creative, it's all Vince. Creative is there just to pitch ideas, they don't write anything unless he approves it. Vince is the problem, he wants one guy to be on top and everyone else below him. Yes, WWE has a lot of trouble pushing people. To justify it, they make up stupid reasons like they are injury prime, or have an attitude problem. I wish WCW was still here. Besides Goldberg & DDP did wCw ever create a new mega star? Cause I was just thinking about this the other day, and now you've mentioned it. Sting, Luger, Hall, Nash, Hogan, Savage, LOD, & Flair were all established by the time they got there. Some from JCP/NWA, some from AWA, and others from WWE, but they all arrived already with name value. Hall & Nash left wCw originally with no name value and returned after WWE gave them some. But I can not think of too many stars wCw or Bischoff built.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 15:36:46 GMT -5
If WCW would have been bought out in 2001 when Bischoff tried to get his sh-t together, it probably still would have died by like 2006. Well, it would have made the RA era better at least. The RA era was awesome until Vengeance 2005. It took a huge crap after that.
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Post by rustyy on Oct 1, 2014 15:43:45 GMT -5
People shouldn't blame creative, it's all Vince. Creative is there just to pitch ideas, they don't write anything unless he approves it. Vince is the problem, he wants one guy to be on top and everyone else below him. Yes, WWE has a lot of trouble pushing people. To justify it, they make up stupid reasons like they are injury prime, or have an attitude problem. I wish WCW was still here. Besides Goldberg & DDP did wCw ever create a new mega star? Cause I was just thinking about this the other day, and now you've mentioned it. Sting, Luger, Hall, Nash, Hogan, Savage, LOD, & Flair were all established by the time they got there. Some from JCP/NWA, some from AWA, and others from WWE, but they all arrived already with name value. Hall & Nash left wCw originally with no name value and returned after WWE gave them some. But I can not think of too many stars wCw or Bischoff built. If you wanna go with Booker T, he's a decent choice. WCW didn't create many new stars, and that's what helped them go out of buisness. The exact road WWE is currently on. If you watch that MNW show on the network, the parts where they talk about not connecting to the audience, and being out of touch, are exactly what they have today. They either don't care or are blind. Well, it would have made the RA era better at least. The RA era was awesome until Vengeance 2005. It took a huge crap after that. Well, yeah but it could have been even better if they still had people threatening to take their talent and pose a ratings threat. Plus, maybe then no Triple H reign of terror on Raw.
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Post by marino13 on Oct 1, 2014 15:46:52 GMT -5
Besides Goldberg & DDP did wCw ever create a new mega star? Cause I was just thinking about this the other day, and now you've mentioned it. Sting, Luger, Hall, Nash, Hogan, Savage, LOD, & Flair were all established by the time they got there. Some from JCP/NWA, some from AWA, and others from WWE, but they all arrived already with name value. Hall & Nash left wCw originally with no name value and returned after WWE gave them some. But I can not think of too many stars wCw or Bischoff built. If you wanna go with Booker T, he's a decent choice. WCW didn't create many new stars, and that's what helped them go out of buisness. The exact road WWE is currently on. If you watch that MNW show on the network, the parts where they talk about not connecting to the audience, and being out of touch, are exactly what they have today. They either don't care or are blind. The RA era was awesome until Vengeance 2005. It took a huge crap after that. Well, yeah but it could have been even better if they still had people threatening to take their talent and pose a ratings threat. Plus, maybe then no Triple H reign of terror on Raw. Yeah Booker T is a good choice.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 15:53:20 GMT -5
The RA era was awesome until Vengeance 2005. It took a huge crap after that. Well, yeah but it could have been even better if they still had people threatening to take their talent and pose a ratings threat. Plus, maybe then no Triple H reign of terror on Raw. I'd rather have the Triple H reign of terror because it produced some of my favorite RAW matches of that era and SmackDown! 2002 is about as good as it's going to get. That program was better than pretty much any point during the Attitude Era in terms of angles and matches. It does not get better.
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