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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 7:13:30 GMT -5
CM Punk ing cry baby bitch.
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Aug 27, 2014 8:51:25 GMT -5
kingnothing ~ Hardwired..., I have seen The John Cena Experience right after I purchased it on Blu-ray. The stuff John Cena does outside of the ring speaks for itself. CM Punk really wanted to be in that top spot but he didn't want to give up certain freedoms to attain that. After Paul Heyman left in 2006, Punk was on his own. I remember there were people who was skeptical about Punk winning the Money In The Bank Ladder Match at WrestleMania XXIV. The amount of hurdles Punk had to overcome was something that would have made anybody quit. It is fair to say that without Punk being a success, the WWE wouldn't have signed guys like Daniel Bryan, Seth Rollins, Dean Ambrose, Sami Zayn, Cesaro, and even Kevin Steen. Say all you want, CM Punk did break that proverbial glass ceiling. The fact Heyman saw something in Punk speaks for itself. Steve Austin mentioned on this family friendly podcast this week he is going to have Heyman on again, the topic of Punk is bound to come up again. Hey, I'm in line with everything you say here. I happen to think if it weren't CM Punk it would have been one of those other guys. HHH "appears" to have the success mentality of trying something new with the chance that it could fail. I don't think Punk had any influence on Sin Cara getting hired. And on paper that looked like an instant win, even though it tanked horribly. I've never said Punk isn't an amazing talent. He had all the tools to continue being a main event. But he said himself that he wanted to be the face of the WWE. I know he didn't like Hogan in the 80's. He felt Macho should have been the guy. Hogan wasn't the best in ring, just like Cena, but they did what successful people do: whatever it takes. Hogan was the man for over a decade between 2 companies, and now Cena has been there almost as long. Punk had a taste of it for over a year and sadly, he's gone. I know the hurdles are tough, but sometimes life isn't fair. I also think of Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels when I hear of guys that had to break glass ceilings. I only post what I do to mention that Heyman is a businessman and Punk is his guy. When he explains the hardships Punk had to deal with I DO NOT view them as lies. I just understand that there are two sides to every story. No one on the other side is talking, and really, neither is Punk himself, so I feel that there is fault on all sides based on all the facts we've heard from the respected individuals.
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Post by Jesse_Custer on Aug 27, 2014 8:51:32 GMT -5
CM Punk ing cry baby bitch. HBK is the undisputed king of cry babies. And I'm a huge HBK fan.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Aug 27, 2014 9:16:29 GMT -5
kingnothing ~ Hardwired..., early on in CM Punk's WWE run, he was not well liked by Vince McMahon and the agents behind the scenes. It wasn't until early-2007, Shawn Michaels saw something in Punk and pushed really hard for him to attain a better spot on the roster. The glass ceiling Michaels and Bert Hart had to break was repaired. Punk had to break a ceiling of his own to get somewhere in the industry. Notice how CM Punk became a prominent guy on the ECW brand after Michaels was pushing hard for him. I am surprised many people here gloss over the reaction Punk received at the 2006 Survivor Series. The ceiling Punk broke allowed an influx of indy guys to make their way to the WWE. Mick Foley indirectly talked about how the WWE didn't want to sign Punk on Steve Austin's podcast last week. The man Punk would eventually be was based on years of anguish he was put through to claw his way to the top. This was the catalyst for his "pipebomb" in 2011. One thing Punk wanted was to be given the chance at headlining a WrestleMania.
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Aug 27, 2014 9:31:57 GMT -5
kingnothing ~ Hardwired..., early on in CM Punk's WWE run, he was not well liked by Vince McMahon and the agents behind the scenes. It wasn't until early-2007, Shawn Michaels saw something in Punk and pushed really hard for him to attain a better spot on the roster. The glass ceiling Michaels and Bert Hart had to break was repaired. Punk had to break a ceiling of his own to get somewhere in the industry. Notice how CM Punk became a prominent guy on the ECW brand after Michaels was pushing hard for him. I am surprised many people here gloss over the reaction Punk received at the 2006 Survivor Series. The ceiling Punk broke allowed an influx of indy guys to make their way to the WWE. Mick Foley indirectly talked about how the WWE didn't want to sign Punk on Steve Austin's podcast last week. The man Punk would eventually be was based on years of anguish he was put through to claw his way to the top. This was the catalyst for his "pipebomb" in 2011. One thing Punk wanted was to be given the chance at headlining a WrestleMania. Sure did. That's why I said Michaels and Hart had one of their own to break. I've also mentioned that even though they did sign Punk against the wishes of the owner, creative didn't know what to do with him. I also still think if it wasn't Punk it would've been someone else. It was inevitable. But it was Punk, and I credit the indy revolution on that as well. In business, sometimes it just comes down to who you know. Heyman was on Punk's side, as was Michaels. Didn't Shawn push hard for Bryan too? We see that he made it to the top. That was mostly due to the fans, but someone had to be on his side somewhere in upper management. As for Punk wanting to headline WM, that's obvious. That should be everyone's goal in the WWE. If that's part of the reason he's gone, then so be it. Personally, by the end of this year's Royal Rumble I envisioned Bryan/Punk for the championship at WM 31, and I don't think anyone would argue, barring injuries, that as a main event this would sell. Sadly, we'll never know.
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Post by marino13 on Aug 27, 2014 9:35:21 GMT -5
The most convincing rumor I heard in regards to the reason he walked out was that the superstars weren't being given a clear picture about how their paydays would shape up with the WWE network and he was pissed about it. Add on to that the fact that he just didn't want to do it anymore. I've said it before, I'll say it again, I don't blame him for walking out but I wish he hadn't That's what I believe too. Much more logical than any other rumor we heard.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 10:35:37 GMT -5
I just don't get it with all the talented people WWE just signed. Ambrose/Rollins stealing the show. Brock is WWE champion. Adrian Neville, Sami Zayn and Tyler Breeze. Tearing it up in NXT. hear we are still talking about CM Punk news flash he is home ing aj. he doesn't give a crap about any one of you. ing move on.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Aug 27, 2014 10:41:30 GMT -5
I just don't get it with all the talented people WWE just signed. Ambrose/Rollins stealing the show. Brock is WWE champion. Adrian Neville, Sami Zayn and Tyler Breeze. Tearing it up in NXT. hear we are still talking about CM Punk news flash he is home ing aj. he doesn't give a crap about any one of you. ing move on. Here* we are. Also, don't you badmouth everything the WWE does?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 10:59:59 GMT -5
I'm surprised that "CM Punk banged Stephanie" rumours haven't started.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Aug 27, 2014 11:03:01 GMT -5
I just don't get it with all the talented people WWE just signed. Ambrose/Rollins stealing the show. Brock is WWE champion. Adrian Neville, Sami Zayn and Tyler Breeze. Tearing it up in NXT. hear we are still talking about CM Punk news flash he is home ing aj. he doesn't give a crap about any one of you. ing move on. When people look back at 2014, CM Punk's sudden departure would be on the list of biggest news stories from the year that was.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Aug 27, 2014 14:01:35 GMT -5
The most convincing rumor I heard in regards to the reason he walked out was that the superstars weren't being given a clear picture about how their paydays would shape up with the WWE network and he was pissed about it. Add on to that the fact that he just didn't want to do it anymore. I've said it before, I'll say it again, I don't blame him for walking out but I wish he hadn't That's what I believe too. Much more logical than any other rumor we heard. Heyman's reasoning makes more sense to me. That for a year prior to that, Punk had had to force himself to find the motivation to get up and perform every day. That much is apparent in Punk's performances throughout 2013. And then after the Rumble, he just couldn't find that motivation anymore -- because of the unclear paydays, because he realised Bryan had totally taken his niche of "anti-authority" guy, because he was upset at how WWE didn't book Bryan to win the Rumble, because he realised his time had been and gone, because his body was getting more and more broken down for stuff that wasn't inspiring him... Any or all of those reasons and probably a dozen more. But he took his ball and went home, and in doing so opened the door for Bryan and The Shield to step up, and that's not a bad thing. Bryan and the Shield were still hungry, still motivated, and they made more of those upper card spots than Punk would have done at the time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 23:14:06 GMT -5
I just don't get it with all the talented people WWE just signed. Ambrose/Rollins stealing the show. Brock is WWE champion. Adrian Neville, Sami Zayn and Tyler Breeze. Tearing it up in NXT. hear we are still talking about CM Punk news flash he is home ing aj. he doesn't give a crap about any one of you. ing move on. When people look back at 2014, CM Punk's sudden departure would be on the list of biggest news stories from the year that was. To cm sucks fans. Every casual fan I converse with doesn't talk about him. Fans of yesteryear don't talk about him. The only ones who talk about him is his fanboys and cold hearted truth realists, like myself. He's old news and overrated. The supposed number two guy in an industry with a dwindling fanbase. He's nothing. He quit. Get over it.
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Aug 27, 2014 23:25:52 GMT -5
When people look back at 2014, CM Punk's sudden departure would be on the list of biggest news stories from the year that was. To cm sucks fans. Every casual fan I converse with doesn't talk about him. Fans of yesteryear don't talk about him. The only ones who talk about him is his fanboys and cold hearted truth realists, like myself. He's old news and overrated. The supposed number two guy in an industry with a dwindling fanbase. He's nothing. He quit. Get over it. I... dont understand the point of this comment other than fishing for a riled up Punk fan to tear into you. You offered no new insight, didn't answer the OP's question. So because no one you talk to talks about him erases the fact that he's the fastest triple crown winner, a 3 time world champion, 2 time WWE champion, the first two time MITB winner. I previously just thought you lived in a bubble but now I'm convinced you're just a delusional person that doesnt watch the product anymore (as evidenced by you admitting to what was it? 100 unwatched episodes of Smackdown, no NXT, I'm going out on a limb and guessing no Superstars or Main Event) EDIT: That awkward moment when "no one talks about CM Punk anymore" but his Google search results show an increase of 96% over the last year. But you're right, no one is talking about him. forum.wrestlingfigs.com/thread/308720/google-metrics-biggest-wrestling-boxing
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Post by threehgame on Aug 28, 2014 4:05:18 GMT -5
Kevin Nash said Punk had a beat up body and issues with the creative staff in the time leading up to the Rumble. I'd put my money on what he said since Nash is in an odd place between Punk and HHH.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 6:46:44 GMT -5
To cm sucks fans. Every casual fan I converse with doesn't talk about him. Fans of yesteryear don't talk about him. The only ones who talk about him is his fanboys and cold hearted truth realists, like myself. He's old news and overrated. The supposed number two guy in an industry with a dwindling fanbase. He's nothing. He quit. Get over it. I... dont understand the point of this comment other than fishing for a riled up Punk fan to tear into you. You offered no new insight, didn't answer the OP's question. So because no one you talk to talks about him erases the fact that he's the fastest triple crown winner, a 3 time world champion, 2 time WWE champion, the first two time MITB winner. I previously just thought you lived in a bubble but now I'm convinced you're just a delusional person that doesnt watch the product anymore (as evidenced by you admitting to what was it? 100 unwatched episodes of Smackdown, no NXT, I'm going out on a limb and guessing no Superstars or Main Event) EDIT: That awkward moment when "no one talks about CM Punk anymore" but his Google search results show an increase of 96% over the last year. But you're right, no one is talking about him. forum.wrestlingfigs.com/thread/308720/google-metrics-biggest-wrestling-boxingNothing you said had anything to do with what I quoted on. And I guess a Punk fanboy did try to tear into me. Cool useless stats. So because I'm not up to date on Smackdown(Raw Replays) and I don't watch developmental and hour long c shows, I'm not a fan or I'm not up to date? Very foolish of you to go past assumptions and make statements about a person you don't know anything about. That's what fools do. So CM Punk is cool on the internet? Go ing figure. How else would all you fanboys see what 'Phil ' is up to since you can't see him on tv anymore?
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Post by el torro on Aug 28, 2014 7:07:02 GMT -5
I... dont understand the point of this comment other than fishing for a riled up Punk fan to tear into you. You offered no new insight, didn't answer the OP's question. So because no one you talk to talks about him erases the fact that he's the fastest triple crown winner, a 3 time world champion, 2 time WWE champion, the first two time MITB winner. I previously just thought you lived in a bubble but now I'm convinced you're just a delusional person that doesnt watch the product anymore (as evidenced by you admitting to what was it? 100 unwatched episodes of Smackdown, no NXT, I'm going out on a limb and guessing no Superstars or Main Event) EDIT: That awkward moment when "no one talks about CM Punk anymore" but his Google search results show an increase of 96% over the last year. But you're right, no one is talking about him. forum.wrestlingfigs.com/thread/308720/google-metrics-biggest-wrestling-boxingNothing you said had anything to do with what I quoted on. And I guess a Punk fanboy did try to tear into me. Cool useless stats. So because I'm not up to date on Smackdown(Raw Replays) and I don't watch developmental and hour long c shows, I'm not a fan or I'm not up to date? Very foolish of you to go past assumptions and make statements about a person you don't know anything about. That's what fools do. So CM Punk is cool on the internet? Go ing figure. How else would all you fanboys see what 'Phil ' is up to since you can't see him on tv anymore? Good lord, you just might be a bigger cry baby than this "Phil" character.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 7:59:12 GMT -5
Nothing you said had anything to do with what I quoted on. And I guess a Punk fanboy did try to tear into me. Cool useless stats. So because I'm not up to date on Smackdown(Raw Replays) and I don't watch developmental and hour long c shows, I'm not a fan or I'm not up to date? Very foolish of you to go past assumptions and make statements about a person you don't know anything about. That's what fools do. So CM Punk is cool on the internet? Go ing figure. How else would all you fanboys see what 'Phil ' is up to since you can't see him on tv anymore? Good lord, you just might be a bigger cry baby than this "Phil" character. I need a Kleenex to wipe my tears away
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Aug 28, 2014 8:37:55 GMT -5
I... dont understand the point of this comment other than fishing for a riled up Punk fan to tear into you. You offered no new insight, didn't answer the OP's question. So because no one you talk to talks about him erases the fact that he's the fastest triple crown winner, a 3 time world champion, 2 time WWE champion, the first two time MITB winner. I previously just thought you lived in a bubble but now I'm convinced you're just a delusional person that doesnt watch the product anymore (as evidenced by you admitting to what was it? 100 unwatched episodes of Smackdown, no NXT, I'm going out on a limb and guessing no Superstars or Main Event) EDIT: That awkward moment when "no one talks about CM Punk anymore" but his Google search results show an increase of 96% over the last year. But you're right, no one is talking about him. forum.wrestlingfigs.com/thread/308720/google-metrics-biggest-wrestling-boxingNothing you said had anything to do with what I quoted on. And I guess a Punk fanboy did try to tear into me. Cool useless stats. So because I'm not up to date on Smackdown(Raw Replays) and I don't watch developmental and hour long c shows, I'm not a fan or I'm not up to date? Very foolish of you to go past assumptions and make statements about a person you don't know anything about. That's what fools do. So CM Punk is cool on the internet? Go ing figure. How else would all you fanboys see what 'Phil ' is up to since you can't see him on tv anymore? OK well then let me touch on something you did say in your post. Why should it matter who the casual fans are talking about? There is literally nothing to be gained from caring what a casual fans opinion of the product is. Nor should anyone put any stock into what a casual fan is talking about. They're not watching on a regular basis, they aren't a major contributor of revenue and they sure aren't going to keep watching if you start fumbling with garbage stories and bad booking. This is why at the end of the day, WWE listens to the vocal majority, their die hard fans. And for the record, the reason I think you are a casual fan isn't solely based on the fact that you sometimes watch the show (which by the way is the very definition of a casual fan) but because you are clueless enough to write off Punk as irrelevant. People are talking about Punk, for someone who claims no one talks about Punk you sure seem to like to talk about him
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 8:46:25 GMT -5
Nothing you said had anything to do with what I quoted on. And I guess a Punk fanboy did try to tear into me. Cool useless stats. So because I'm not up to date on Smackdown(Raw Replays) and I don't watch developmental and hour long c shows, I'm not a fan or I'm not up to date? Very foolish of you to go past assumptions and make statements about a person you don't know anything about. That's what fools do. So CM Punk is cool on the internet? Go ing figure. How else would all you fanboys see what 'Phil ' is up to since you can't see him on tv anymore? OK well then let me touch on something you did say in your post. Why should it matter who the casual fans are talking about? There is literally nothing to be gained from caring what a casual fans opinion of the product is. Nor should anyone put any stock into what a casual fan is talking about. They're not watching on a regular basis, they aren't a major contributor of revenue and they sure aren't going to keep watching if you start fumbling with garbage stories and bad booking. This is why at the end of the day, WWE listens to the vocal majority, their die hard fans. And for the record, the reason I think you are a casual fan isn't solely based on the fact that you sometimes watch the show (which by the way is the very definition of a casual fan) but because you are clueless enough to write off Punk as irrelevant. People are talking about Punk, for someone who claims no one talks about Punk you sure seem to like to talk about him If watching wrestling for roughly twenty years, watching Raw weekly , Smackdown recorded weekly, network subscription, regular network viewer , every ppv, multiple wrestling DVDs, owning a thousand dollar plus Mattel collection, not to mention, every elite Undertaker at least x2, makes me a casual fan....then okay. Call me casual
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Aug 28, 2014 9:52:34 GMT -5
When people look back at 2014, CM Punk's sudden departure would be on the list of biggest news stories from the year that was. To cm sucks fans. Every casual fan I converse with doesn't talk about him. Fans of yesteryear don't talk about him. The only ones who talk about him is his fanboys and cold hearted truth realists, like myself. He's old news and overrated. The supposed number two guy in an industry with a dwindling fanbase. He's nothing. He quit. Get over it. Dwindling fanbase? CM Punk's fanbase has risen since his days in Ring of Honor and IWA-MS. One of many reasons why people revere Punk a lot is what he had to overcome since being signed by the WWE in 2005. The machine wanted no part in Punk. It wasn't until guys like Paul Heyman, Mick Foley, Ricky Steamboat, and Shawn Michaels saw something in Punk and his abilities. Yet, your call yourself a realist? The last person I've seen call himself a realist isn't much of a realist at all. You are just going to have to deal with the fact CM Punk's departure is going to be one of the biggest news stories of 2014. Punk made a name fro himself by breaking through that proverbial glass ceiling. If Punk wasn't able to flourish, the WWE wouldn't have signed guys like Cesaro, Daniel Bryan, Sami Zayn, Kevin Steen, Adrian Neville, KENTA, Prince Devitt, Solomon Crow, Dean Ambrose, and Seth Rollins. Punk started a revolution that allowed guys from the indys to make it to the main stage. Moreover: I challenge everybody here to disagree with this post.
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