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Post by ellisd on Aug 25, 2014 20:07:29 GMT -5
Ok. I don't mean to bring up the whole Punk situation again as its been discussed at length on here. But I remember back in late January - early February when this all started, reading that he was arguing with WWE staff about passing concussion tests and saying 'I'm not going out there and telling the fans that BS'
I just recently found the screen shot that I took of that from another website, so I could tell my sister about it. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post it here being that it's from another news site.
Does anyone else remember this? Or did anyone else here anything else about that as I don't remember hearing anything else being mentioned about it.
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Post by el torro on Aug 25, 2014 20:08:38 GMT -5
I remember reading about that, but dunno when it was exactly.
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Post by WrestlingRebook on Aug 25, 2014 20:12:30 GMT -5
The way WWE is acting about this is like CM punk killed Stephanie or something!!! The fans want punk why? Cause it's good for business
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Post by Yambag Jones on Aug 25, 2014 20:16:17 GMT -5
I think his problems went deeper than pretending to fail a concussion test. It's a bummer things ended like that.
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Post by marino13 on Aug 25, 2014 20:18:14 GMT -5
I don't think anyone really knows or knew squat about what happened. All dirt sheets did was speculate and hope that fans grasped onto it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2014 22:19:34 GMT -5
Just pure speculation is all I can recall from that time.
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Post by ellisd on Aug 25, 2014 22:51:49 GMT -5
I figure it could have been and probably was just dirt sheets being dirt sheets. But that was some of the first stuff I heard after he left and never heard anything else from it.
I love Punk as much as the next guy, but if he's done thats fine with me. I just wish we knew what happened.
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Post by BROKEN on Aug 26, 2014 7:16:10 GMT -5
I thought the only ones who knew were punk, and hhh
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Aug 26, 2014 7:35:32 GMT -5
The most convincing rumor I heard in regards to the reason he walked out was that the superstars weren't being given a clear picture about how their paydays would shape up with the WWE network and he was pissed about it. Add on to that the fact that he just didn't want to do it anymore. I've said it before, I'll say it again, I don't blame him for walking out but I wish he hadn't
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Aug 26, 2014 8:00:29 GMT -5
I don't think anyone really knows or knew squat about what happened. All dirt sheets did was speculate and hope that fans grasped onto it. Could not agree more. The only people who would know is Vince McMahon and Triple H. |
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Aug 26, 2014 8:45:04 GMT -5
It's funny how some people are still, like, legit pissed that he's gone. I love CM Punk and always will, but I'm over him leaving. It's doesn't piss me off or make me happy, I just miss him.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Aug 26, 2014 9:00:52 GMT -5
It's funny how some people are still, like, legit pissed that he's gone. I love CM Punk and always will, but I'm over him leaving. It's doesn't piss me off or make me happy, I just miss him. Hearing Paul Heyman discuss how Phil Brooks was losing his passion for the business paints a clearer picture as to why he left. As a long time fan, I am pretty content of his departure from the industry. If being away from the industry and getting married makes him happy, I will honor what he feels content. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 9:16:35 GMT -5
It's awkward some of you refer to him by his real name like you're good friends with him or something. Touch on the weird side.
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Post by RV F'N D on Aug 26, 2014 9:20:21 GMT -5
I feel like he fought the good fight for a long time, but the machine won, as it usually does. I'm glad to have seen his career and some really great moments. I hate that he didn't get a proper sendoff, and to me, the product on TV has been worse without him. Although he doesn't technically owe us anything, it would be a cool move to speak to the fans that helped put him in the place he is in now.
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Aug 26, 2014 22:21:48 GMT -5
It's funny how some people are still, like, legit pissed that he's gone. I love CM Punk and always will, but I'm over him leaving. It's doesn't piss me off or make me happy, I just miss him. Hearing Paul Heyman discuss how Phil Brooks was losing his passion for the business paints a clearer picture as to why he left. As a long time fan, I am pretty content of his departure from the industry. If being away from the industry and getting married makes him happy, I will honor what he feels content. I'll just mention again: Paul is a close friend to Punk. While he paints a nice picture, he paints a very biased one with CM Punk as an innocent victim. I'm not calling him a liar by any stretch, but I also take the words of Austin, Jericho, Foley, Jim Ross, Michaels and a few others that, while not directly behind the scenes, still have ears in the walls and have enough respect for Punk not to throw wild speculation out as fact like dirtsheet websites do. I understand people not wanting to speculate as if no one really knows what happened, but too many stories are repeated by enough of those men I just mentioned to simply write it off as fiction. |
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Aug 26, 2014 23:43:01 GMT -5
Hearing Paul Heyman discuss how Phil Brooks was losing his passion for the business paints a clearer picture as to why he left. As a long time fan, I am pretty content of his departure from the industry. If being away from the industry and getting married makes him happy, I will honor what he feels content. I'll just mention again: Paul is a close friend to Punk. While he paints a nice picture, he paints a very biased one with CM Punk as an innocent victim. I'm not calling him a liar by any stretch, but I also take the words of Austin, Jericho, Foley, Jim Ross, Michaels and a few others that, while not directly behind the scenes, still have ears in the walls and have enough respect for Punk not to throw wild speculation out as fact like dirtsheet websites do. I understand people not wanting to speculate as if no one really knows what happened, but too many stories are repeated by enough of those men I just mentioned to simply write it off as fiction. It is certainly possible for anybody to lose passion in what they love doing. What Paul Heyman mentioned on Talk Is Jericho holds a ton of water mainly because he traveled with him and got to know CM Punk on a more personal basis. For us wrestling fans, we are just people on the outside trying to look inside. Why on earth would Heyman want people to gain sympathy for CM Punk? Somebody tell me that. One has to remember, Punk's body never recovered from being beat up during his 434-day reign as the WWE Champion. Punk/'Taker from WrestleMania XXIX could have been a better match had Punk being 100%. I will put this into perspective for everybody to understand. Put yourself in CM Punk's shoes. You'll have to understand the mindset he has and how his body feels 24/7. Being a top guy in the industry has more detriments than upsides. To prove how demanding the WWE is, Trish Stratus said it best. She had to miss out on her family member's birthdays and the weddings her friends were having. The more I look into how the business aspect, the more I appreciate what really goes on. I guess I am one of the few who sees the industry in a different light. If CM Punk is happy with his life right now, I have to give him props. If being married and allowing his body to heal, there is a ton of upsides to that. Heyman painted that proverbial picture because he wanted to educate the sacrifices Punk made on his personal life and his mental state. |
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Post by Ian from 616Entertainment. on Aug 27, 2014 0:45:23 GMT -5
Nobody knows.
The sheets will say whatever they want hoping marks buy subscriptions and such. Somehow, some people actually fall for it and pay money for the 'maybe,' 'possibly' or 'we heard' that every other sheet copies and pastes with slightly different words.
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Post by rustyy on Aug 27, 2014 0:52:12 GMT -5
I'll just mention again: Paul is a close friend to Punk. While he paints a nice picture, he paints a very biased one with CM Punk as an innocent victim. I'm not calling him a liar by any stretch, but I also take the words of Austin, Jericho, Foley, Jim Ross, Michaels and a few others that, while not directly behind the scenes, still have ears in the walls and have enough respect for Punk not to throw wild speculation out as fact like dirtsheet websites do. I understand people not wanting to speculate as if no one really knows what happened, but too many stories are repeated by enough of those men I just mentioned to simply write it off as fiction. It is certainly possible for anybody to lose passion in what they love doing. What Paul Heyman mentioned on Talk Is Jericho holds a ton of water mainly because he traveled with him and got to know CM Punk on a more personal basis. For us wrestling fans, we are just people on the outside trying to look inside. Why on earth would Heyman want people to gain sympathy for CM Punk? Somebody tell me that. One has to remember, Punk's body never recovered from being beat up during his 434-day reign as the WWE Champion. Punk/'Taker from WrestleMania XXIX could have been a better match had Punk being 100%. I will put this into perspective for everybody to understand. Put yourself in CM Punk's shoes. You'll have to understand the mindset he has and how his body feels 24/7. Being a top guy in the industry has more detriments than upsides. To prove how demanding the WWE is, Trish Stratus said it best. She had to miss out on her family member's birthdays and the weddings her friends were having. The more I look into how the business aspect, the more I appreciate what really goes on. I guess I am one of the few who sees the industry in a different light. If CM Punk is happy with his life right now, I have to give him props. If being married and allowing his body to heal, there is a ton of upsides to that. Heyman painted that proverbial picture because he wanted to educate the sacrifices Punk made on his personal life and his mental state. Exactly, I trust Heyman a lot more than dirtsheets. I usually wouldn't trust Heyman, but what would he gain from lying? He only lies to protect himself/get money and this does neither. |
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Aug 27, 2014 6:44:50 GMT -5
Why on earth would Heyman want people to gain sympathy for CM Punk? Somebody tell me that. Heyman painted that proverbial picture because he wanted to educate the sacrifices Punk made on his personal life and his mental state. You made some great points, but I'm stuck on the mobile site for a while, so I cut down your reply to respond to these points. WWE's CM Punk became Paul Heyman's pet project. They signed him, creative couldn't figure out what to do with him, and before being released was rescued by Heyman in an attempt to get him over. Understandably they became very good friends in the process. He might want to gain sympathy for Punk because they are friends. Because Punk endured a lot stress and pain and all that other madness that goes with being the company's champion. As your last point mentions, Paul wanted to educate us on the sacrifices he made. I think CM Punk's DVD says a lot about that on its own, and I respect that part of everything. But at the end of the day we didn't see the other side. Heyman's interview makes Punk into the guy that gave WWE everything and just got burnt out. We get no glimpse into how he handled himself with them behind the scenes do we? Well, I'd say his DVD paints a pretty good picture on that too. Didn't like authority, and was anything but the "yes" man he mentioned in his pipe bomb promo. And guys like Austin and Jim Ross that imply that there was a little more going on with the guy along those lines, but out of respect for him won't go into a lot of detail, and I trust them. They're not the dirt sheets. Lastly, if you want to see a bright picture about sacrifice and the WWE I would invite you to sit through the John Cena experience that I believe is on Netflix still. Just don't miss the forest for the trees. You don't have to like the guy to see what he gives to them and the fans everyday. And he does it all without complaint, but with a smile on his face. When I see Punk in interviews back when he was still with the company I see a guy that wanted to be the face of the company but not necessarily have to give up his personal life to be there. Oddly enough, I get a vibe from Daniel Bryan that he is willing to drop his personal life for the company, and that might be why Cena is "aledgedly" so high on him. |
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Aug 27, 2014 7:07:56 GMT -5
kingnothing ~ Hardwired..., I have seen The John Cena Experience right after I purchased it on Blu-ray. The stuff John Cena does outside of the ring speaks for itself. CM Punk really wanted to be in that top spot but he didn't want to give up certain freedoms to attain that. After Paul Heyman left in 2006, Punk was on his own. I remember there were people who was skeptical about Punk winning the Money In The Bank Ladder Match at WrestleMania XXIV. The amount of hurdles Punk had to overcome was something that would have made anybody quit. It is fair to say that without Punk being a success, the WWE wouldn't have signed guys like Daniel Bryan, Seth Rollins, Dean Ambrose, Sami Zayn, Cesaro, and even Kevin Steen. Say all you want, CM Punk did break that proverbial glass ceiling. The fact Heyman saw something in Punk speaks for itself. Steve Austin mentioned on this family friendly podcast this week he is going to have Heyman on again, the topic of Punk is bound to come up again.
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