Sky'sTheLimit
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Post by Sky'sTheLimit on Aug 22, 2014 13:26:09 GMT -5
I take it that flags are more important in America? Never heard of a flag being dropped as being disrespectful.
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Post by Gazza on Aug 22, 2014 16:53:23 GMT -5
if your parents/love ones die, am i allowed to step/drop stuff on top of their grave/headstone? Is that disrespectful? Its not them, its just a stone with their name on it. / Yeah because somebody's grave and a piece of cloth are totally the same thing.
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Post by greenjack1992 on Aug 22, 2014 18:43:15 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 18:53:53 GMT -5
I was upset that Swagger didn't win. Way to ruin a really good push, WWE.
I really don't care about the flag. I'm not a Republican't.
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Post by The Yes Man on Aug 22, 2014 19:10:09 GMT -5
I was upset that Swagger didn't win. Way to ruin a really good push, WWE. This. Swagger > Rusev. 10 times out of 10 Swagger is the better everything.
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DemonsWiLL
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Post by DemonsWiLL on Aug 23, 2014 3:49:53 GMT -5
if your parents/love ones die, am i allowed to step/drop stuff on top of their grave/headstone? Is that disrespectful? Its not them, its just a stone with their name on it. / Yeah because somebody's grave and a piece of cloth are totally the same thing. Well yeah they are the same thing. Nothing is being done to the body of the person. The headstone is just a memorial to a persons life. In the case of a flag,it is a memorial to the country's history and those who fought for it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2014 3:52:31 GMT -5
It was an accident Get over it
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Post by Gazza on Aug 23, 2014 4:36:19 GMT -5
Yeah because somebody's grave and a piece of cloth are totally the same thing. Well yeah they are the same thing. Nothing is being done to the body of the person. The headstone is just a memorial to a persons life. In the case of a flag,it is a memorial to the country's history and those who fought for it. Not even close to the same thing. Someone's life isn't the same value as a flag. And it's beyond belief you'd even think the two was slightly related.
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Post by Mox on Aug 23, 2014 4:48:38 GMT -5
Well yeah they are the same thing. Nothing is being done to the body of the person. The headstone is just a memorial to a persons life. In the case of a flag,it is a memorial to the country's history and those who fought for it. Not even close to the same thing. Someone's life isn't the same value as a flag. And it's beyond belief you'd even think the two was slightly related. But dude... The flag represents the country. A country that is only a country because people fought and died for it. They're literally the same thing. And I have to add that this debate has nothing to do with the match at SS. But everything to do with why the flag is so important.
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Post by Gazza on Aug 23, 2014 5:04:07 GMT -5
Not even close to the same thing. Someone's life isn't the same value as a flag. And it's beyond belief you'd even think the two was slightly related. But dude... The flag represents the country. A country that is only a country because people fought and died for it. They're literally the same thing. And I have to add that this debate has nothing to do with the match at SS. But everything to do with why the flag is so important. So if it's the same, if somebody close to you had their grave vandalised. You'd be equally upset as that than as somebody dropping a flag?
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Post by Mox on Aug 23, 2014 5:15:58 GMT -5
But dude... The flag represents the country. A country that is only a country because people fought and died for it. They're literally the same thing. And I have to add that this debate has nothing to do with the match at SS. But everything to do with why the flag is so important. So if it's the same, if somebody close to you had their grave vandalised. You'd be equally upset as that than as somebody dropping a flag? If I had someone close to me die while serving in the military, maybe. But for me, it's not about the flag touching the ground. It's more about understanding why there are rules regarding the flag. Because it's important to respect what it represents. I don't care that the flag accidentally touched the ground at SS. But I do care about spamnt attitudes towards the flag. EDIT: Umm wfigs censors the word flip*ant? Why?
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facemeat
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Post by facemeat on Aug 23, 2014 5:31:42 GMT -5
To be fair, a headstone belongs to someone, and that's what makes the difference. If someone would vandalize someone else's US flag on their porch, that would be a really sh*tty thing to do as well. Now, if this hypothetical person wants to buy their own headstone or flag and vandalize it, I wouldn't take any offense to that, even if I would personally not really understand the logic behind it.
(BTW, this thread should probably be moved to The Lounge...it really has nothing to do with wrestling at this point.)
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Post by The Mask of Truth on Aug 23, 2014 15:44:23 GMT -5
This thread is intense!
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Aug 23, 2014 20:58:25 GMT -5
Let's all just take a moment to get some perspective. Yes please! Thanks for posting this! Not the first two, as we've beaten those points to death several times over already, but the last one shows a great and relevant point! Anybody remember the outcome of this match? The ref stops the show and demands that Jericho apologizes for kicking the Brazilian flag, or the police in attendance with automatic rifles in hand will arrest him. He is then suspended for 30 days and the authorities escort him OUT OF THE COUNTRY. Perspective indeed. I suppose it's not just us crazy Americans that take what our flag represents so seriously.
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Post by @.@ Hempsterdance @.@ on Aug 24, 2014 11:51:47 GMT -5
It's 3 parts. Puff. Puff. PASS. You always seem to forget that last part. Why are you talking about things you know nothing about? If I buy it I can do what I please no need to pass, When you buy than you can make the rules Captain Murica
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Post by Nivro™ on Aug 24, 2014 17:27:07 GMT -5
So if it's the same, if somebody close to you had their grave vandalised. You'd be equally upset as that than as somebody dropping a flag? If I had someone close to me die while serving in the military, maybe. But for me, it's not about the flag touching the ground. It's more about understanding why there are rules regarding the flag. Because it's important to respect what it represents. I don't care that the flag accidentally touched the ground at SS. But I do care about spamnt attitudes towards the flag. EDIT: Umm wfigs censors the word flip*ant? Why? Bingo. The flag has much more representation then just "a piece of cloth". I honestly dont know how other countries are, maybe England, Australia, Japan or whom evers flag is seen as a piece of cloth but its more then that in America. Its symbolic. I personally dont get up in arms or upset if the flag hits the ground but I not only understand the meaning behind it but also support the belief. However, I do think its silly to burn the flag after it touches the ground. To me, that is much more offensive. If a flag touches a ground it should be "retired" properly folded and put away.
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Marzec
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Post by Marzec on Aug 27, 2014 17:19:30 GMT -5
I need to clear up what seems to be a couple of common misconceptions. It is NOT required to burn a flag if it merely touches the ground. But when it is deemed necessary to burn an American flag, it is done so ceremoniously by one of numerous orginizations such as the American Legion, Veterans Of Foreign Wars(VFW), Diabled American Veterans, etc. It is not as simple as some random person torching his own flag because it touched the ground. There is such a thing as "Flag Ettiquette". I suggest going to www.usflag.org/flagetiquette.html for anyone who is unaware or misunderstands the "rules" regarding the flag.
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threehgame
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Post by threehgame on Aug 28, 2014 5:06:13 GMT -5
I guess this kind of symbolism is pretty much lost on me; in my mind, you can't just lump together an entire nation of people and say, "That flag is America". To me, it's not America, it's not the US military, it's a piece of fabric. And that is no disrespect intended to ANYONE. It's not even disrespect towards the flag, because I don't really think I can disrespect an inanimate object. I love America's freedoms, and I respect anyone who has ever fought to protect them in any capacity, I just don't get the idea of venerating an inanimate object. Is that so horrible? I guess I feel close to what you do. I have a close friend who served 2 combat tours and is still active duty that has only the flags on his uniforms in his house. He loves the country and obviously would die for it but has no attachment to the flag. Over drinks when he got home after the second tour he told me he was disturbed by how freedom had become a buzz word to end an argument about war. He said he fought for his freedom and his alone because no one but yourself can fight for your freedom. All you have to do is self-realize you are free and be willing to fight for it and you are free. To him there is no symbolism to freedom and no connection between the flag and our freedom. Spending time with him has caused this to rub off on me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 6:29:49 GMT -5
Are people really comparing the flag touching the ground to someone's life ending? smh
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Post by Weemanv1 on Aug 28, 2014 11:33:22 GMT -5
It's being overblown, but anyone saying that the flag is just a piece of cloth are being disrespectful. Them using the flag touching the ground as being blown up to be a big deal are both missing the point and strawmanning their arguments. Very few people are actually saying that the flag touching the mat was an issue in this thread. Accidents happen. That's what any rational person is saying. Man, I'm a Canadian citizen and I can see this.
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