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Post by Dan on Jul 27, 2014 10:40:56 GMT -5
Ryback was the bigger drop. The difference was, Ryder had potential, but Ryback was already there. He headlined PPV's and was challenging for the WWE Championship. Ultimately they booked themselves into a corner and ruined his push. Still though, he should of stayed Upper Midcard, not just completely drop to a Jobber.
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Post by JDSFullmetal on Jul 27, 2014 12:19:47 GMT -5
Ryback was so over it wasn't even funny.
Ryder was over, but what killed his push was his HORRID acting abilities.
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Post by dod0411 on Jul 27, 2014 12:59:51 GMT -5
What killed ryback was wwe pushing Daniel bryan. I would have rather seen ryback get that push
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Post by DTP. on Jul 27, 2014 13:12:07 GMT -5
I think Ryback's better now than he was before. Just because he's stuck in a dead end tag team doesn't mean that he can't rise back up to the top over time. He's been getting unmatched pops recently at live events from what I've read. In 2012 he was still one hell of a green worker IMO. Ryder meanwhile was having awesome matches with Dolph Ziggler. Their rivalry is one of my favourites from the modern era - how management kept dodging the inevitable Ryder/Ziggler match on PPV (the summer going on as far as Survivor Series) in exchange for makeshift feuds with Mason Ryan and John Morrison - before giving it a huge payoff with Ryder taking the United States title at TLC 2011 in a suspenseful match. The most unfortunate thing here is timing, for both men: I don't think that Ryback was ready for a main event run going into WrestleMania XXIX - and he was backed into a corner by the presence of the Undertaker, Brock Lesnar, Triple H, CM Punk, John Cena and of course, The Rock. All established stars compared to the newcomer, hence Ryback against Mark Henry was the best decision possible. I don't agree with Henry going over though. For Ryder it was settling in with an awkward angle with Kane re-establishing his monster character against John Cena - who in itself was a short-term angle for Cena before confronting The Rock at WrestleMania XXVIII. Ryder (much like Ryback) came victim to a stacked roster and not that many match slots going into the biggest show of the year - hence his involvement with the Team Teddy/Team Johnny cluster  . But I think that Ryback still needed to evolve his character to connect with the audience - the 'Goldberg' chants didn't help him one bit, and his in-ring skill was not as good as it is currently. Ryder meanwhile went through a transformation, and his social media campaign hit home. It's a shame that it got stale really quickly, however. |
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Post by Iron Bison on Jul 27, 2014 13:36:19 GMT -5
For all those saying Ryder's "Acting" was what ruined him, what's the excuse for Shelton and JoMo not being main eventers?
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Post by Chief on Jul 27, 2014 15:06:44 GMT -5
As much as I like Ryder, Ryback had the bigger upside.
We've seen it with guys like Henry and Show in the past that big strong guys can be rebuilt and taken seriously so I don't think Ryback is a complete lost cause.
On WWE TV Ryder was a one dimensional character with a one note gimmick. He just needed something to anchor him into becoming a serious character.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 16:36:50 GMT -5
I remember going to a raw in I think late 2012 and Ryback had the pop of the night, bar none.
Compared to earlier this year when I went to a Raw, it was sad. The guy still got a reaction, but I definetly felt an electricity in the air the first time, that simply wasn't there.
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Post by TeamratedCDS on Jul 27, 2014 17:14:07 GMT -5
Dolph Ziggler.
But really I'd go with Ryder. The dude was on top of the mid card world and had it ripped away in like less than a month.
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Post by Chief on Jul 27, 2014 19:08:29 GMT -5
Dolph Ziggler. But really I'd go with Ryder. The dude was on top of the mid card world and had it ripped away in like less than a month. I hope one day we find out what Dolph did to piss everyone on the creative team and management off. |
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Post by TeamratedCDS on Jul 27, 2014 19:20:07 GMT -5
Dolph Ziggler. But really I'd go with Ryder. The dude was on top of the mid card world and had it ripped away in like less than a month. I hope one day we find out what Dolph did to piss everyone on the creative team and management off. It's really ashame because he is in the top 5 best workers in the company. The dude just put on a great match with freaking Miz! I hate the miz but that match was just so awesome! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 19:30:49 GMT -5
Dolph Ziggler. But really I'd go with Ryder. The dude was on top of the mid card world and had it ripped away in like less than a month. I hope one day we find out what Dolph did to piss everyone on the creative team and management off. He seems to be unprofessional backstage. |
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Post by philly boi on Jul 27, 2014 19:35:50 GMT -5
I hope one day we find out what Dolph did to piss everyone on the creative team and management off. He seems to be unprofessional backstage. Dolph just knows how damn good he is and let's everyone else know it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 4:30:17 GMT -5
Ryback, ryder, sandow, hawkings, brodus, aksana, heath, drew, jinder, jtg, titus, fandango, evan bourne, gabriel, tyson kidd, axel, yoshi, soon to be cesaro
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 4:59:38 GMT -5
Ryback. they were SO f*cking close with him. People say he was done after the HIAC loss but that just isn't true. 1)if the loss in HIAC had been booked correctly? Ryback would have looked like a real warrior and Punk a way more dangerous and cunning individual. there is a way for people to lose and their aura be preserved. Vince used to be great at it. 2)Ryback never got his revenge against the Shield......after numerous beatdowns. VERY wrong again on the booking teams part. 3)He looked like an idiot against Mark Henry. an absolute idiot. Vince should have called an audible when he heard that reaction for Ryback hoisting Henry for the shock. When he did it after the match?nobody cared. then his reasoning for turning heel was absolutely atrocious. Ryback should have dethroned an unstoppable Big Show for the WHC at WM that year. I've said the same thing since that year's WM. Had it not been for Big Show's contract ending and them throwing the belt on Del Rio, Ryback's career may have panned out a hell of a lot differently. I would have booked Big Show strong till WM. Then have Ryback steamroll over him within minutes. At that point the World Heavyweight Title would've been a step down for Ryback. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 5:20:14 GMT -5
I've said the same thing since that year's WM. Had it not been for Big Show's contract ending and them throwing the belt on Del Rio, Ryback's career may have panned out a hell of a lot differently. I would have booked Big Show strong till WM. Then have Ryback steamroll over him within minutes. At that point the World Heavyweight Title would've been a step down for Ryback. I disagree. He had no previous title so naturally it would have been a step up. Especially if Big Show had been booked correctly on the run in to WM. Titless Ryback to WHC by destroying an previously unstoppable Show? = Upgrade in 90% of most peoples views. |
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Post by dontquestionmyhart on Jul 28, 2014 5:40:30 GMT -5
Without a doubt Ryback. He was so over and somehow fell flat...WWE screwed him so hard. But I believe he still has a chance to make a comeback and dominate. I beg of WWE to allow that to happen without screwing it up the second time around. Ryder on the other hand never rung my bell, personally.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jul 28, 2014 7:49:22 GMT -5
For all those saying Ryder's "Acting" was what ruined him, what's the excuse for Shelton and JoMo not being main eventers? Umm...acting? Every John Morrison promo sounded forced and like he was reading cue cards. He was really good in the ring, but god awful on the microphone. |
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Post by Iron Bison on Jul 28, 2014 8:17:10 GMT -5
For all those saying Ryder's "Acting" was what ruined him, what's the excuse for Shelton and JoMo not being main eventers? Umm...acting? Every John Morrison promo sounded forced and like he was reading cue cards. He was really good in the ring, but god awful on the microphone. That's my point. Most people on here LOVED JoMo and Benjamin (and still do) but why there's so many people (who WERE Ryder fans) turning their backs on Ryder, I'll never know. |
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Post by marino13 on Jul 28, 2014 9:01:22 GMT -5
I've said the same thing since that year's WM. Had it not been for Big Show's contract ending and them throwing the belt on Del Rio, Ryback's career may have panned out a hell of a lot differently. I would have booked Big Show strong till WM. Then have Ryback steamroll over him within minutes. At that point the World Heavyweight Title would've been a step down for Ryback. It'd be a hell of a lot better than what he got, wouldn't it? |
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Post by Jamal on Jul 29, 2014 9:34:15 GMT -5
Ryback by far. He was over AF.
On a related note, speaking of missed opportunities, watching Rusev yesterday reminded me of Muhammad Hassan. It really is a shame they went overboard when there really was no need to.
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