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Post by bad guy™ on May 20, 2014 22:37:18 GMT -5
So in light of the most recent in a three year barrage of comments, I am effectively terminating my ownership of the WFWF. In short, I quit. Trace can do what he wants with the WFWF, but as long as certain people are here, I will not be. This is the last straw.
How about people stop complaining when the reason they have not gotten their title match is because they quit right after they earned one? They more than earned the shot but then things did not go the way they wanted story wise and bounced. It was that persons choice. Don't blame us. You had a shot. You didn't want it. We moved on. Your fault. Not ours.
Then you come back after what, a year and a half of being absent from the card and you are not even two shows in and I get PMs from you and your comrades essentially questioning why you're back a whole two shows and don't have some kind of title around your imaginary character waist? Admittedly I do not think either of them were put up to it because I think they are above petty digs and egging comments outside of jest, but I imagine their ears were chewed off enough that they came to me because how they were frustrated.
For people who say this is just a game that shouldn't be taken seriously, when people don't get what they want they really get awfully pissy.
I REALLY do not care how pissed any of you, your friends or anyone gets at me for this. I don't care if you guys come after me and try to bully me into quitting (too late), bombard my PM box...whatever.
You know who you are, but I am too classy to throw your name out there. You are a hell of a writer, I enjoy your work more than most here despite me not liking your personality, but your sense of entitlement is just heartbreaking to someone who wants to like you. Should you have had a shot at a title your first run? Probably. But you were above the National and International, Kyzer and Drakz took the tag titles, and Schneider had feuds planned out months in advance, and when Kyzer and Drakz left, so did you. I told Kyzer, Drakz and maybe you the first time you came to me venting frustrations, when you guys came back we were likely going to try to fit you in the world title picture had Trace won the title. He didn't. If Trace lost, it was understood he would get a rematch in some form. And since I was writing Malakai out, I wanted Ace to be part of that process, and give Dex the opportunity of a lifetime as a parting of ways. Because he didn't quit, threaten to quit, or have his group PM me about his constant frustrations when he didn't get what he wanted.
Now, I know you're going to be steaming and angry and want to come after me and quit and throw your typical sarcasm laced with venom speech when you do not get your way, which means your crew is likely to follow suit, but I'm to the point where I do not care.
I am not the kind of person to be adversarial in the slightest, I hate even having to defend myself, but it has been nothing but non-stop crap from you since the day you came back three years ago. I have made a ton of mistakes here as owner, but I have owned up to them. A few of them with you. I acknowledge that and I'm sorry. I never cockblocked you from the title intentionally. Nothing just worked with Schneider before you quit, and when you came back we were mid feud and had the post SB stuff figured out. We should not have to change everyone's plans for one guy who showed back up after how long. But I don't take kindly to being shoved around and constantly bitched at from all sides by a bigger sense of entitlement since Alex Sean.
And I do not have to deal with this. I do this as a volunteer who loves writing and wants to see the WFWF succeed. I, with E, Hutt, Ace and Trace have done more to keep this place alive over the years than anyone in the last 10 years since Kyzer, Rev and Drakz. You want me gone? Maybe you'll get what you want when you want it a little easier.
But a word to the rest of the WFWF, as I go, if you support him that's cool and all...guy can write and I will continue to read his work myself. But watch out when he gets creatively stumped and disappears...or it becomes The New Epoch show every week till they're tired of writing. Because if you get in the way of what he wants, you'll be next on the snarky/pissed off comment ride I've been on for a while now.
So congrats. You got your wish, now you guys have no reason to quit because of me. You have no reason to be creatively stymied. Trace can do what he wants with my ownership spot. I was hoping to hand it to either Bishop or Dex next year, but Trace can do what he has to do to save face and not lose you guys. But I'm out. I will be around the boards, anyone who has cared to make ties has my contact info. You want advice on RPs, lemme know. I'll be glad to help.
Trace, the floor is yours. Do as you will, I am sure Ace will gladly hand down his MOD spot, because I'm pretty sure with me gone he won't hang around either beyond fulfilling his promise to Cam this show and Trace at the PPV.
If you want me, PM me. It has been a pleasure these last five years. I met some awesome people, and a few lifelong friends. Maybe I will be back, maybe not. But for these years of support, thanks guys.
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Post by Kyzer on May 20, 2014 23:23:21 GMT -5
So I am going to choose to not take the New Epoch line as a shot at me.
While we have had our differences, I have felt like the last few years we have come to a mutual respect. That said, it is unfortunate that you are leaving like this. If anything I would like to see you remain as a competitor. I never did get a chance to beat you.
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Post by bad guy™ on May 20, 2014 23:31:04 GMT -5
So I am going to choose to not take the New Epoch line as a shot at me. While we have had our differences, I have felt like the last few years we have come to a mutual respect. That said, it is unfortunate that you are leaving like this. If anything I would like to see you remain as a competitor. I never did get a chance to beat you. ...it's like you knew I was in the middle of PMing you. And I might at some point come back as a competitor. I just figure I have been around forever. I have put up with some of the biggest egos this place has had to offer. But when my sense of being is being diminished in my mind on a god damn website for wrestling toys because some people almost 10 years older than me are trying to use my love for the WFWF against me by throwing such comments at me similar to the best guys will quit if they don't get what they want, that after five years of doing this I don't know what I'm doing because I won't give in to someone who took their ball and went home years ago and came back and after a show or two is already demanding title matches and throwing all kinds of negative comments and insinuations when, by all accounts the world did not stop for them...you know, whatever. I was gonna leave early next year because of school, might as well give 'em what they want now with the reborn theme. Why not?
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Post by Kyzer on May 20, 2014 23:37:27 GMT -5
So I am going to choose to not take the New Epoch line as a shot at me. While we have had our differences, I have felt like the last few years we have come to a mutual respect. That said, it is unfortunate that you are leaving like this. If anything I would like to see you remain as a competitor. I never did get a chance to beat you. ...it's like you knew I was in the middle of PMing you. And I might at some point come back as a competitor. I just figure I have been around forever. I have put up with some of the biggest egos this place has had to offer. But when my sense of being is being diminished in my mind on a god damn website for wrestling toys because some people almost 10 years older than me are trying to use my love for the WFWF against me by throwing such comments at me similar to the best guys will quit if they don't get what they want, that after five years of doing this I don't know what I'm doing because I won't give in to someone who took their ball and went home years ago and came back and after a show or two is already demanding title matches and throwing all kinds of negative comments and insinuations when, by all accounts the world did not stop for them...you know, whatever. I was gonna leave early next year because of school, might as well give 'em what they want now with the reborn theme. Why not? I am not going to comment in regards to the reasons why you are quitting but everyone needs a break at some point.
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Cameron Stone
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Post by Cameron Stone on May 20, 2014 23:56:49 GMT -5
#PipeBomb
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Post by sonstuds on May 21, 2014 0:56:06 GMT -5
Finally realizing how unappreciative this job is and saying screw it when there's no longer any personal incentive to mask having to deal with other people's sh*t? I taught you well, old friend.
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Cameron Stone
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Post by Cameron Stone on May 21, 2014 1:13:44 GMT -5
Finally realizing how unappreciative this job is and saying screw it when there's no longer any personal incentive to mask having to deal with other people's sh*t? I taught you well, old friend. Certain unnamed jerks tend to make those decisions easy sometimes, don't they?
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Post by Markw on May 21, 2014 1:29:51 GMT -5
Don't do this.
I've seen plenty of arrogant entitled pricks come in since I came back and all have been dealt with fairly comfortably by yourself. I don't think there's anyone here who has made as many links to active members of the community, so it's not like the aforementioned jerk can organize any mass walk out. Do it on your own terms (although not by giving it to me because you know I wouldn't touch it) and in your own time, don't let one of the WFWF's many super egos force you out before you're ready.
I sincerely hope you're going to reconsider what you're doing, you've been incredibly committed to the WFWF for a ridiculous amount of time and it'd be a crying shame for you to have no influence on what happens from here. But in case you don't, I'll just say thank you, for both the commitment you've shown to the fed and on a personal level for talking/letting me back into the WFWF because without that I probably wouldn't be at University right now and life would be pretty s***ty. I owe you an enormous debt of gratitude.
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Post by CM Poor on May 21, 2014 5:19:17 GMT -5
Aww...you like me. You really like me.
Look, I see the end game here. Your circle completely dwarfs my circle, and the ramifications of you walking versus me walking cause you and I don't get along wind up worse for me than they do you. I can already see it, with folks who've put on a wink and a smile to my face turning new ground here, 'cause in case anyone missed it - he's talking about me.
Yeah, I wanted a title shot. Any old title shot. Even a throw away, advance a story title shot that I had no chance of winning. I guess I should have come back with more gusto - you can talk a big game, but both you and Trace know that both times I've come back I walked in with very humble intent. You wanna know what set me off? Your boy, Ace Bennett. That's on me I guess. I should have come back, and rather than write promos and matches, just come in first and say "what if I run in and demand my shot?"
You boned me good on this last card. Ace agreed to that match, and yeah, it's on me for not just going through Trace, but if that match had happened, I'd probably have a lot less to say about the way you run things.
Funny thing about that Ace match, too - Trace apologized, and it wasn't on him. Ace apologized, and it wasn't on him. You had the confirmation in your inbox, and you didn't do anything with it. Guess who hasn't owned up to that one?
That said, I think it's really sh*tty of you to push your master plan with Dex, taking a giant dump over everyone at or above his level that you constantly jerk off as being such great writers. I think the world of Dex, and was really amazed that he'd come to me with help for his character, which he admitted that he has no idea where to take from here. Has he told you that? Would that have changed your mind, and made you consider that "Hey, I chose to play the role of owner of an e-fed - maybe I should consider how this whole booking thing actually works"? Instead, you play your cards and then walk out because one guy - ONE GUY - makes a public fuss about how you do it. People said a lot worse to and about you when you were first given the owner spot, and you're gonna try and dump this on me? You haven't been in it for a while now.
So there you have it - your one big critic thinks you should stick around. I'm not going to feel bad about driving you to this point, because quite frankly, it's words on a screen. I type this now, and then I'm off to the face the day, but I'll even offer you a very sincere, if only words on a screen, very public "I'm sorry you feel that I wanted you out". Re-read my dumb little interview, guy. I wasn't planning on running any ideas by you anytime soon, but I offered a fair share of constructive suggestion, because as venomous and seething as you think my opinion is of the world, I generally want people to get better and enjoy their time here.
Or quit. The latter option is going to look really silly though, considering you'd be only dealing with me on a strictly outside basis.
Your ball.
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Post by Markw on May 21, 2014 7:41:37 GMT -5
I don't think you've done yourself any favours since you came back Brennan. I don't actually disagree with many of the complaints you've made, I think you've got a fair point in a lot of cases. But you've still come across as being pretty arrogant and stubborn. I know we all have off days and say the wrong things sometimes, I've done it plenty of times (including an interaction with you pretty much as soon as you came back that I apologized for). But it's the constant complaining that really makes it very difficult for someone like me, as an outsider really, to care about any of your issues with the way the fed is run. - The whole Reborn situation is a prime example. I actually agree with you that there was a communication issue that should never have happened and you have every right to be upset about that. But you came out of that thread, to me at least, as looking really, really bad. So you're booked against Reo Speedwagon on the show, someone who has made their return/debut and showed for it. Rather than saying 'Hey I thought I had something planned with Ace?' your response was this... I feel like a put in a whole lotta legwork for a whole lotta nothin' here. Which is fine if everyone was aware of what was going on with Ace, but no one other than you and Shawn was aware of that. When I read that at the time I was disgusted at what I perceived as you basically throwing abuse out at someone who has only just come back and has done nothing wrong, just because you didn't get a bigger match (hence the violin). Obviously it transpires that wasn't the case, but that's how it came across to me at first. So then you voice your actual concerns and it turns out it's about your match with Ace not being booked. The result is the owners admit a mistake was made and offer to tweak the card and add in that match. Problem solved right? No, because you were too stubborn to say 'sure, do that'. How difficult would that have been? Instead you have to make a song and dance about it, say no to it being added in and then still complain about it in seemingly every single post you make. - And on the title issue, I again, pretty much agree with you. I don't think you've got any right to come in and demand a title shot, but I'm pretty sure that's not what you have actually done. You came to me asking for an International Championship match and I agreed, I'd love to work a match with you. That's fine. I've heard multiple reasons for why it may or may not be happening, and I don't know what the real reason is. If it's that your above the International Championship then again I think you've got every right to point as Schneider vs. Drakz and say 'hang on a minute, I'm not sure that's entirely fair'. If the reason is that the person I have a feud lined up with deserves a shot first then I think that's fair enough and you should let it go. I don't know what's actually happening with that, I hope the plan is to do the match. - On Dex I again agree with you, possibly not for the same reasons, but I don't think anyone should be handed their first World Championship. If anything just because it's throwing away a great motivational tool that can in some cases spur a lot of writers on. So yeah I actually agree with many of your concerns, despite the fact that I like Shawn more than pretty much anyone else here. I think you're right on a lot of the issues. But the way you've gone about voicing them has been tedious and pathetic. I think if you didn't need to jump on every mistake or difference of opinion in the way you have then maybe people would take what you're actually saying on board. The only one that I think you really handled particularly poorly is your planned match with Ace, but you seem to have some complaint to make every five minutes and it gets really, really boring. To the point that I don't blame Shawn for just saying ' it', which is a real shame.
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Post by CM Poor on May 21, 2014 8:16:34 GMT -5
Bish - you hit the nail on the head on a lot of counts. Nobody, least of all me, is going to come in here and say I've got a good attitude - not regarding things like this, which in the grand scheme of life, are pretty inconsequential. Do I get swept up in my hobbies? Hell yeah, and I'd call a bold faced liar anyone who says otherwise.
Here's my sole beef, plain and simple, with Shawn. I've shared a good number of back and forth with him, and contrary to what he says, our interactions haven't been nuclear for my entire stay here. I take pride in my work, and when my work gets the disregard because someone wasn't paying attention or just couldn't be bothered, then I fly off the handle. Flaw, plain and simple.
To say that Shawn and I were the only ones privy to the Ace match is a load of crap - Ace was in on ot just as much, and yeah, I declined the offer to put it back in to the card to kinda stick it to Shawn. He had the message, from me, quoting Ace agreeing to the match, and he chose not to move on it. When I asked Shawn for the match, he said fine, but tasked me with pursuing Ace about it, and I did. That was pretty much my last message from Shawn, as I'm under the impression he's either disregarding them, or blocking them entirely.
As for a title match, yep. I wanted one. Not so much prior to Superbrawl, but when Ace Bennett, who has "just walked away" as much as I have with Brennan, can just waltz into the main event picture, then yeah, I'm gonna make my push. I never asked for anything during my first run, I asked for very little when I tried the Vieira bit, and up until very recently, that was that. I consider Ace Bennett to be very much my equal in terms of talent, as I do guys like Bish and Solomon. Shawn always made it a point to lavish me with praise, but when I started (lightly) asking for a chance to be put in a title picture, I was told in no uncertain terms that I was only world title calibre (which I'm not), that scene was full, and so there was no room for me. He didn't want me in the National or International scene, for fear I'd pick one of those up and just run undefeated (which is all I'm gonna do if I keep facing rookies), and so essentially, I began seeing no real place for myself. It doesn't do someone who's as green as Kyle to get involved in a feud with me. It doesn't do me any favors in terms of a challenge to do the same, so that starts to paint a real big "what's the point", dig?
Personally, I think it's completely bougha that Shawn's walking. He set the wheels running on something he clearly was passionate about, and he's not even going to be around to help see it through. Conversely, this whole post just screams that he's quitting because of little ol' me, who's just as gonzo. He just beat me to the punch by not falling asleep on the couch. I'm man enough to admit that Brennan has no place here, and with the mess of friends Shawn has vs the pretty much none I have round these parts, I'm not going to help my situation by staying on and trying to stay involved. The Brennan ship has sailed, and I'll even own up to it probably being kinda silly for me to have come back to begin with.
I'm not going to apologize for the way I approach things. I'm not perfect, and neither are any of you. I've messaged Shawn privately, and heavily suggested he stick around for the sake of what he's set in motion, and for not walking on account of someone who's good and out of his hair.
Have fun, kids.
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Post by T R W on May 21, 2014 9:36:09 GMT -5
I don't know what is going on here, but I know an argument when I see it. If he is resigning, that's fine. No need to have a public blowup about it.
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Post by Rated R on May 21, 2014 10:23:13 GMT -5
So I come online having been up and working since half 4 to this, great. Anyway this is just me acknowledging that I'm aware of it and letting everyone know that, for the time being, I'll be dealing with it all off the board and through PM's as I always do. I'm not going to make a scene and I'm not going to voice my loud, ego-centric opinions until I know for certain what is happening. Once I do know you'll all know as well.
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