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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Apr 17, 2014 2:24:42 GMT -5
There have been a bunch of characters that have been given WWE or World titles within two years of their WWE debut (first on-screen match). Counting completely new characters/gimmicks as debuts ie Kane counts because it wasn't a continuation of Isaac Yankem or Fake Diesel, it was a new character. JBL doesn't because he was still APA Bradshaw with a new attitude. I've only counted from the nineties onwards:
Undertaker... Debut November 1990, title win November 1991
Ric Flair... Debut fall 1991, title win January 1992
Yokozuna... Debut fall 1992, title win April 1993
Diesel... Debut September 1993, title win November 1994
Kane... Debut October 1997, title win June 1998
The Rock... Debut November 17th, 1996 title win November 15th, 1998
Big Show... Debut February 1999, title win November 1999
Kurt Angle... Debut November 1999, title win October 2000
Brock Lesnar... Debut spring 2002, title win SummerSlam 2002
Sheamus... Debut June 2009, title win December 2009
Alberto Del Rio... Debut fall 2010, title win August 2011
Goldberg... Debut April 2003, title win September 2003
Great Khali... Debut 2006, title win 2007
CM Punk... Debut August 2006, title win June 2008
Jack Swagger... Debut September 2008, title win April 2010
Daniel Bryan... Debut February 2010, title win December 2011
Some notable guys that weren't given a World title in their first two years: John Cena, Stone Cold, Triple H, Randy Orton, Batista, Mick Foley, Chris Jericho (except that one time), Edge, Rey Mysterio.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 2:35:28 GMT -5
Shouldn't Diesel be on the list? He debuted in 93 and had the title in 94.
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Post by Lewscher on Apr 17, 2014 4:25:56 GMT -5
Come on. Goldberg was already HEAVILY established on main stream tv, even if it was wcw. He was a former wcw whc, unlike any other in your list. Count guys like punk in ecw or dbry in wwe, their first true main championship win, Im sorry but goldberg was a beast before his wwe reign, guys like dbry werent, so i personally can't say goldberg belongs on your list man, thats all.  Although looking at it, the guys at the bottom bust their asses for a long while with a few different gimmicks, yet the guys in the list sort of got lucky with the timing. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 5:27:26 GMT -5
Come on. Goldberg was already HEAVILY established on main stream tv, even if it was wcw. He was a former wcw whc, unlike any other in your list. Count guys like punk in ecw or dbry in wwe, their first true main championship win, Im sorry but goldberg was a beast before his wwe reign, guys like dbry werent, so i personally can't say goldberg belongs on your list man, thats all. Although looking at it, the guys at the bottom bust their asses for a long while with a few different gimmicks, yet the guys in the list sort of got lucky with the timing. The same could be said about Flair and Big Show. |
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Post by Lewscher on Apr 17, 2014 6:00:03 GMT -5
Come on. Goldberg was already HEAVILY established on main stream tv, even if it was wcw. He was a former wcw whc, unlike any other in your list. Count guys like punk in ecw or dbry in wwe, their first true main championship win, Im sorry but goldberg was a beast before his wwe reign, guys like dbry werent, so i personally can't say goldberg belongs on your list man, thats all. Although looking at it, the guys at the bottom bust their asses for a long while with a few different gimmicks, yet the guys in the list sort of got lucky with the timing. The same could be said about Flair and Big Show. Ah miss read flairs date then, but big show didnt win the wcw Big one before going wwe did he? If so must have skipped my mind, but thinking about it, if he didnt, he was in wcw more than two years before wwf right? Appologies if memories not too good without research. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 6:01:52 GMT -5
The same could be said about Flair and Big Show. Ah miss read flairs date then, but big show didnt win the wcw Big one before going wwe did he? If so must have skipped my mind, but thinking about it, if he didnt, he was in wcw more than two years before wwf right? Appologies if memories not too good without research. Yes, I believe he actually won the WCW title against Hogan in his first match for WCW. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 8:29:14 GMT -5
Wasn't it 2yrs with Savage also?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 8:48:02 GMT -5
Are you really gonna snub Orton because he debuted in April 2002 and won it in August 2004?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 8:55:46 GMT -5
Wasn't it 2yrs with Savage also? No, it was close to 3 years. Debuted in June 1985, didn't win the title until March 1988. |
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Apr 17, 2014 9:39:23 GMT -5
Basically sometimes it works as in The Rock and Kurt Angle and sometimes it doesn't as in Jack Swagger and the Great Khali. It's all about how that person is booked during and after the title run. The Rock, Angle, Brock Lesnar and Big Show were still booked as credible threats. Meanwhile, Swagger was booked terribly during and after the title run. Sheamus wasn't booked too great once he dropped the strap.
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Apr 17, 2014 9:44:58 GMT -5
Are you really gonna snub Orton because he debuted in April 2002 and won it in August 2004? The list says within two years, meaning before the two years is up. From April 2002 to August 2004 is more than two years |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 10:07:08 GMT -5
Interesting.....It has also just dawned on me that Austin was also close to being in the 2 year bracket too.
I'm less inclined to be impressed with Goldberg, Flair and Show because they were established headliners coming into WWF/E at the time and it was almost a given that they would get a reign.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 10:40:48 GMT -5
Angle and Lesnar are probably the two best examples of this, in my opinion.
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Post by Planktung on Apr 17, 2014 13:52:24 GMT -5
Wade Barrett should have been on this list. I'll never forgive WWE for not giving him a title run during the Nexus stuff.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Apr 17, 2014 13:59:09 GMT -5
I lost my mind when Jericho won the title on RAW. Him having to give it back was the first time I legit got upset about wrestling. Thanks for making me remember! Such an awesome episode.
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Post by punksnotdead on Apr 17, 2014 14:53:40 GMT -5
Shouldn't Diesel be on the list? He debuted in 93 and had the title in 94. Yeah. Showed up on Raw in June of 93 and won WWF Title in November 1994. He was well into his World title reign by the time his 2 year mark rolled around. |
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Post by RybackV1 on Apr 17, 2014 14:57:52 GMT -5
Orton debuted in mid/late 2002 tho? So wouldn't he count ?
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Post by punksnotdead on Apr 17, 2014 15:04:27 GMT -5
I don't feel like Jack Swagger winning the WHC is really the same thing as what guys like the Rock and Brock did though. Swagger, Punk, Bryan, they won the WHC when someone else was WWE Champion, same for Khali. It took CM Punk over 5 years to actually become WWE Champion, which has been THE top title for years. Punk and Bryan winning the WHC just meant they were top midcard Champion of the World.
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Apr 17, 2014 18:12:48 GMT -5
Are you really gonna snub Orton because he debuted in April 2002 and won it in August 2004? Uhh yeah, cause that's 2 years and 4 months, and he said WITHIN 2 years. What's hard to count for me is Swagger, Bryan, Khali, and Punk. The Heavyweight title was clearly a secondary belt at that point. |
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Post by The Yes Man on Apr 17, 2014 19:05:24 GMT -5
Are you really gonna snub Orton because he debuted in April 2002 and won it in August 2004? Uhh yeah, cause that's 2 years and 4 months, and he said WITHIN 2 years. What's hard to count for me is Swagger, Bryan, Khali, and Punk. The Heavyweight title was clearly a secondary belt at that point. I consider anything after August 2011 for the WHC to be secondary, since up till then the WHC was still the highest prize the Smack Down roster could reach. |
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