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Post by Chip on Apr 16, 2014 15:21:54 GMT -5
Is anybody else just sick and tired of the following scenario: new superstar is set to debut debuts- beats mid carder/jobber in 30 seconds next 3+ weeks- beats mid carder/jobber in 30 seconds superstar gets gimmick change re-debuts- beats mid carder/jobber in 30 seconds next 3+ weeks beats mid carder/jobber in 30 seconds seriously, its the most cookie cutter vanilla soft serve GARBAGE booking ever. and it happens ALL the time i'd just like to see a new "monster" debut and actually have a competitive match instead of squashing some guy in 30 seconds....hell didn't Sandow even do that when he finally debuted? they've got this guy Rusev who could be pretty good, but i'm supposed to be impressed he can hit a kick, a belly suplex and a camel clutch on Xavier Woods in 30 seconds? you.
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Post by Rob on Apr 16, 2014 15:29:51 GMT -5
Its going to be the reason why Rusev goes absolutely nowhere. It pretty much kills every hint of hope they have for a bright future.
I know how this Rusev thing is going to play out. He is going to beat up jobbers and midcarders for a month or 2, He is going to get into a feud with a guy like Sheamus or John Cena and get beat, momentum killed, now he is back to feuding with jobbers and having competitive matches with them instead of squashing them. Lana will go on to be a diva and start wrestling. The end.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2014 15:36:45 GMT -5
I give Rusev 6 weeks before he is doing comedy skits with Santino.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2014 15:38:09 GMT -5
Rusev will be dancing in 2 weeks.
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Post by Jaz on Apr 16, 2014 15:38:18 GMT -5
Add Curtis Axel to that list. I think many have forgotten that he actually has a victory over Triple H on Raw.
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Post by Chip on Apr 16, 2014 15:43:39 GMT -5
yeah Axel is a good example too although they took it to the next level and put the IC title on him
only to have him defend it like 2 or 3 times before losing it and now jobbing in a tag team with Ryback
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Post by noir on Apr 16, 2014 15:45:23 GMT -5
i see rusev's career mirroring that of eric escobar.
remember eric escobar guys? no? exactly.
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Post by CMPUNKISGOOD on Apr 16, 2014 15:50:44 GMT -5
Barrett gets so many gimmick changes and theme song changes. I wish they had him do the barber gimmick he did for a week or 2.
Ryback and Rusev are not good IMO.
Big E is doing fine. I could see him turn heel feuding with Cena.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2014 15:54:16 GMT -5
Can we just have Hogan give Rusev the big boot and leg drop already then throw him off TV?
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Post by Yambag Jones on Apr 16, 2014 15:54:38 GMT -5
Rusev will be Santino's tag partner in no time.
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Post by WMDman on Apr 16, 2014 16:05:18 GMT -5
Rusev will be Santino's tag partner in no time.
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Apr 16, 2014 16:05:51 GMT -5
I hate that method of debuting someone. That's why the only call ups that I didn't hate were Shield, Cesaro, Big E and Wyatts. Everyone else has followed the format of squashing guys that worked in 1990. The only other guy to debut and not do that was Axel and they ed that up by making him a **** who couldn't even carry Punks jock strap.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2014 16:26:47 GMT -5
How else would you introduce behemoths like Rusev and Ryback and Big E? If you want someone to be a 'monster' they have to act like a monster.
"Good golly Cole, that Rusev looked like an unstoppable monster in that very competitive and back and forth match where he looked vulnerable and like he was near defeat several times!"
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Apr 16, 2014 16:34:17 GMT -5
None of this applies to Big E. His first match was a loss to Team Hell No, and he never get the squash match push. Barrett hasn't this time round either. Axel didn't.
It wouldn't make any sense for a "monster" to debut having competitive matches. If a "monster" debuts and goes fifteen minutes with Kofi Kingston or Dolph Ziggler, they're not much of a monster.
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Post by punksnotdead on Apr 16, 2014 17:13:42 GMT -5
I think the real problem is that they've done it with too many guys in general. Having a monster come in and destroy guys works, obviously, but only if there is a commitment to it. Ryback turned it into something. He got over. So you can't really argue with the formula when a guy is standing on top of HIAC, after he just lost, and has 20,000 people screaming "Feed Me More" right along with him.
This isn't the 80s or early 90s though. We've gone through the Bret and HBK era where the landscape changed. Daniel Bryan is the WWE Champion. I think the idea of that kind of monster heel is mostly dead and WWE doesn't know how to move away from it because it works temporarily. We see guys way too often on TV, and they face a limited pool of opponents in a short period of time, and they generally don't ever get a real feud. I mean Khali got it to work for him for a period of time, Mark Henry, Kane, Big Show, even Sheamus, have all gotten this type of gimmick to work at various points not that long ago. It's just not sustainable.
I kind of like Rusev. I like that he's paired with someone who is an awkward combination of sexy and obnoxious, and I like that he's not going to be a chicken sh*t heel, which is the only other kind of heel WWE knows how to do haha. I don't see his ride lasting very long. I think a guy like Bray Wyatt, with a fully developed character, going out and having great matches with Bryan, The Shield and Cena is going to make him stick around. The "Warrior" push only works if you're going to let a guy win damn near all of his matches for years on end. We saw the same situation with Goldberg in WCW where there was that level of commitment but it did have to end.
For me it just goes back to storytelling. Tell us an interesting story around this guy. I don't mind squash matches if they feel meaningful but as you've said, we've seen so much of this that we're really desensitized to the entire concept. Push the gimmick, push a feud, and give the character substance. That's the bigger issue with these type of guys imo.
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Post by dod0411 on Apr 16, 2014 17:46:14 GMT -5
I really wish Cesaro barrett, swagger big e would get pushed. They are believable
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Apr 16, 2014 17:53:57 GMT -5
I was a Ryback guy in 2012 and believed that he would be the new super man of the company and the audience were behind him. But WWE went down their usual route and made the monster weak and this has been going on for a while now.
It has got to the point were you expect new guys to fail which is sad.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2014 18:02:47 GMT -5
I like how they debuted Fandango instead of having him have 30 seconds matches they decided to have little segments of him refusing to compete until the superstars got his name right it lead more build up of him actually debuting and was a nice little creative way of bringing him on the roster.
I also was unimpressed on how Xavier Woods debuted it's like this this guy came out nowhere and started wrestling and now look at him he's Just That Guy on the roster.
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Post by RV F'N D on Apr 16, 2014 18:19:13 GMT -5
Yeah it's not just not sustainable, because there isnt a plan or commitment to follow thrkugh. Even a monster face like Ryback who was squashing 2 and 3 guys at a time, and was pretty over, turned heel and then what....he forgot how to wrestle? Now he sucks all of a sudden? That kind of booking is short sighted and really has wasted some good talent. I have zero excitement for Rusev because we already know how this plays out.
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Post by Justin on Apr 16, 2014 18:19:54 GMT -5
It wouldn't make any sense for a "monster" to debut having competitive matches. If a "monster" debuts and goes fifteen minutes with Kofi Kingston or Dolph Ziggler, they're not much of a monster. Exactly on NXT Rusev debuted by losing to Ziggler in a 10 min match and then they kept building him as a monster but it didn't get over. That's also why I'm a fan of the gimmick change they gave him at the Rumble
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