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Post by BCizzle on Apr 15, 2014 12:12:38 GMT -5
Mad Dog Vachon & Billy Robinson both passed away recently. They've done more to influence the professional side of the craft individually than Warrior was able to, by length of tenure, if nothing else. They were practically ignored by WWE. That's my response on their showing of respect. Secondly, save your lectures about supposed social relevance. I'm aware of every possible reason two of the modern craft's great innovators were either given minimal attention, or ignored all together. It doesn't make me any less aggitated with the matter. You sound really old and angry.
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Post by The Mask of Truth on Apr 15, 2014 12:51:32 GMT -5
You are referring to being there live at the show, correct?
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Post by Brad on Apr 15, 2014 12:53:05 GMT -5
If you're there live then you stand up and keep your mouth shut. If you're watching on TV then there really are no rules. This
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Post by CMPUNKISGOOD on Apr 15, 2014 12:57:14 GMT -5
I had a tear in my eye. But I was crying my eyes out during Eddie tribute back then
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Post by greenjack1992 on Apr 15, 2014 14:04:43 GMT -5
I stay silent. Any other response is inappropriate.
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Apr 15, 2014 15:10:37 GMT -5
If I'm watching at home I just stay silent for the whole thing. I've been to shows where they've done the 10 bell salute and from what I recall everyone was standing kinda like the anthem at a hockey game
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 16:09:00 GMT -5
Mad Dog Vachon & Billy Robinson both passed away recently. They've done more to influence the professional side of the craft individually than Warrior was able to, by length of tenure, if nothing else. They were practically ignored by WWE. That's my response on their showing of respect. Secondly, save your lectures about supposed social relevance. I'm aware of every possible reason two of the modern craft's great innovators were either given minimal attention, or ignored all together. It doesn't make me any less aggitated with the matter. Its not all about the technical crap though.....its great what they did but Warrior was one of the big three from THEE golden era of wrestling. He along with Macho and Hogan brought millions of fans into the world of wrestling. At the end of the day its about how many people you drew and how entertaining you were not if you were the first to drop an elbow or invented the sleeper hold....no one give a about that...
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Apr 15, 2014 17:13:59 GMT -5
Mad Dog Vachon & Billy Robinson both passed away recently. They've done more to influence the professional side of the craft individually than Warrior was able to, by length of tenure, if nothing else. They were practically ignored by WWE. That's my response on their showing of respect. Secondly, save your lectures about supposed social relevance. I'm aware of every possible reason two of the modern craft's great innovators were either given minimal attention, or ignored all together. It doesn't make me any less aggitated with the matter. Its not all about the technical crap though.....its great what they did but Warrior was one of the big three from THEE golden era of wrestling. He along with Macho and Hogan brought millions of fans into the world of wrestling. At the end of the day its about how many people you drew and how entertaining you were not if you were the first to drop an elbow or invented the sleeper hold....no one give a about that... Then you're all idiots who have no basis on which to be drawn in to begin with. The point of Professional Wrestling is for the characters to battle in wrestling matches. If the matches don't matter, then we're just cheering characters who have no form of purpose whatsoever, Secondly, Vachon did more for the art of being a heel than he ever did for the scientific wrestling. There will never be a heel who DOESN'T mimic him somehow. That's how many chapters in the Heel Wrestling Handbook were written in the blood(literally) of Mad Dog Vachon. If you don't care if you're favorites can convince that what you're watching is what they claim it to be, then you have no legitimate reason to enjoy it. Professional Wrestling is a modern mythology set in the arena of competition. They are equal parts, each as invaluable as the other, inorder to make sense of the art we all love so much.
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Post by rustyy on Apr 15, 2014 17:17:14 GMT -5
It was a nice tribute, but had Warrior died last year before he reconciled I'm like 90% sure this show wouldn't of happened.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 18:30:53 GMT -5
Its not all about the technical crap though.....its great what they did but Warrior was one of the big three from THEE golden era of wrestling. He along with Macho and Hogan brought millions of fans into the world of wrestling. At the end of the day its about how many people you drew and how entertaining you were not if you were the first to drop an elbow or invented the sleeper hold....no one give a about that... Then you're all idiots who have no basis on which to be drawn in to begin with. The point of Professional Wrestling is for the characters to battle in wrestling matches. If the matches don't matter, then we're just cheering characters who have no form of purpose whatsoever, Secondly, Vachon did more for the art of being a heel than he ever did for the scientific wrestling. There will never be a heel who DOESN'T mimic him somehow. That's how many chapters in the Heel Wrestling Handbook were written in the blood(literally) of Mad Dog Vachon. If you don't care if you're favorites can convince that what you're watching is what they claim it to be, then you have no legitimate reason to enjoy it. Professional Wrestling is a modern mythology set in the arena of competition. They are equal parts, each as invaluable as the other, inorder to make sense of the art we all love so much. OMG you smark elitist mother focker.......on the surface of it all pro wrestling is meant to entertain nothing more nothing less....are there nuances inbetween all the glitz, glamour and pageantry? sure but it doesn't mean you have to care or understand it to enjoy what you're watching..... if you cant accept that I guess you can color me idiotic.......
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 18:41:13 GMT -5
Yeah, I bow my head and stay silent usually. I was kind of doing Cody Rhodes face during the video though.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Apr 15, 2014 19:19:05 GMT -5
Then you're all idiots who have no basis on which to be drawn in to begin with. The point of Professional Wrestling is for the characters to battle in wrestling matches. If the matches don't matter, then we're just cheering characters who have no form of purpose whatsoever, Secondly, Vachon did more for the art of being a heel than he ever did for the scientific wrestling. There will never be a heel who DOESN'T mimic him somehow. That's how many chapters in the Heel Wrestling Handbook were written in the blood(literally) of Mad Dog Vachon. If you don't care if you're favorites can convince that what you're watching is what they claim it to be, then you have no legitimate reason to enjoy it. Professional Wrestling is a modern mythology set in the arena of competition. They are equal parts, each as invaluable as the other, inorder to make sense of the art we all love so much. OMG you smark elitist mother focker.......on the surface of it all pro wrestling is meant to entertain nothing more nothing less....are there nuances inbetween all the glitz, glamour and pageantry? sure but it doesn't mean you have to care or understand it to enjoy what you're watching..... if you cant accept that I guess you can color me idiotic....... There's nothing elitist about enjoying when men work hard to make their wrestling believable. The matches themselves aren't nuances. They're the foundation of it. ALL of it. NO MATCHES? NO WRESTLING. Martin Burns, one of the greatest practitioners of the 19th century, won his first match wearing overalls. Wrestling is universal. And yes. You have to understand something to enjoy, or you're not actually enjoying said thing. You're setting a placebo effect from a fallacy. That concise enough for you? Professional Wrestling is to entertain. By performing matches that convince that what you're watching isn't the equivalent of a magic show. It wouldn't be as wonderful, if it wasn't potential life long friends tricking us into thinking they're bitter enemies. I love being best friends with the men I walk into that ring with & pour our souls out for those loving, supportive fans. There's not a damn, elitist thing about it. I owe my joy of wrestling to every man, & woman who gave their lifetimes to make it great. Be it Warrior, Robinson, or anyone of importance to the craft in or out of the ring. I want all of them to receive recognition & appreciation.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 19:30:08 GMT -5
OMG you smark elitist mother focker.......on the surface of it all pro wrestling is meant to entertain nothing more nothing less....are there nuances inbetween all the glitz, glamour and pageantry? sure but it doesn't mean you have to care or understand it to enjoy what you're watching..... if you cant accept that I guess you can color me idiotic....... There's nothing elitist about enjoying when men work hard to make their wrestling believable. The matches themselves aren't nuances. They're the foundation of it. ALL of it. NO MATCHES? NO WRESTLING. Martin Burns, one of the greatest practitioners of the 19th century, won his first match wearing overalls. Wrestling is universal. And yes. You have to understand something to enjoy, or you're not actually enjoying said thing. You're setting a placebo effect from a fallacy. That concise enough for you? Professional Wrestling is to entertain. By performing matches that convince that what you're watching isn't the equivalent of a magic show. It wouldn't be as wonderful, if it wasn't potential life long friends tricking us into thinking they're bitter enemies. I love being best friends with the men I walk into that ring with & pour our souls out for those loving, supportive fans. There's not a damn, elitist thing about it. I owe my joy of wrestling to every man, & woman who gave their lifetimes to make it great. Be it Warrior, Robinson, or anyone of importance to the craft in or out of the ring. I want all of them to receive recognition & appreciation. I think calling us idiots because we don't look at wrestling the way you do is kinda of an elitest move.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Apr 15, 2014 19:33:39 GMT -5
There's nothing elitist about enjoying when men work hard to make their wrestling believable. The matches themselves aren't nuances. They're the foundation of it. ALL of it. NO MATCHES? NO WRESTLING. Martin Burns, one of the greatest practitioners of the 19th century, won his first match wearing overalls. Wrestling is universal. And yes. You have to understand something to enjoy, or you're not actually enjoying said thing. You're setting a placebo effect from a fallacy. That concise enough for you? Professional Wrestling is to entertain. By performing matches that convince that what you're watching isn't the equivalent of a magic show. It wouldn't be as wonderful, if it wasn't potential life long friends tricking us into thinking they're bitter enemies. I love being best friends with the men I walk into that ring with & pour our souls out for those loving, supportive fans. There's not a damn, elitist thing about it. I owe my joy of wrestling to every man, & woman who gave their lifetimes to make it great. Be it Warrior, Robinson, or anyone of importance to the craft in or out of the ring. I want all of them to receive recognition & appreciation. I think calling us idiots because we don't look at wrestling the way you do is kinda of an elitest move. I didn't claim you to be idiots. I presented a hypothetical that would make your stance idiotic.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 19:37:40 GMT -5
OMG you smark elitist mother focker.......on the surface of it all pro wrestling is meant to entertain nothing more nothing less....are there nuances inbetween all the glitz, glamour and pageantry? sure but it doesn't mean you have to care or understand it to enjoy what you're watching..... if you cant accept that I guess you can color me idiotic....... There's nothing elitist about enjoying when men work hard to make their wrestling believable. The matches themselves aren't nuances. They're the foundation of it. ALL of it. NO MATCHES? NO WRESTLING. Martin Burns, one of the greatest practitioners of the 19th century, won his first match wearing overalls. Wrestling is universal. And yes. You have to understand something to enjoy, or you're not actually enjoying said thing. You're setting a placebo effect from a fallacy. That concise enough for you? Professional Wrestling is to entertain. By performing matches that convince that what you're watching isn't the equivalent of a magic show. It wouldn't be as wonderful, if it wasn't potential life long friends tricking us into thinking they're bitter enemies. I love being best friends with the men I walk into that ring with & pour our souls out for those loving, supportive fans. There's not a damn, elitist thing about it. I owe my joy of wrestling to every man, & woman who gave their lifetimes to make it great. Be it Warrior, Robinson, or anyone of importance to the craft in or out of the ring. I want all of them to receive recognition & appreciation. To get back to your initial argument, saying that you thought Mad Dog Vachon & Billy Robinson meant more to wrestling than Ultimate Warrior simply because of tenure and "influence the professional side of the craft" they had is so silly....that may be your opinion but please understand you are alone in that opinion. How many of those men on stage this last raw would tell you who had more direct influence on them getting in the business? most if not all would name Warrior over Vachon/Robinson...
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Apr 15, 2014 19:58:23 GMT -5
There's nothing elitist about enjoying when men work hard to make their wrestling believable. The matches themselves aren't nuances. They're the foundation of it. ALL of it. NO MATCHES? NO WRESTLING. Martin Burns, one of the greatest practitioners of the 19th century, won his first match wearing overalls. Wrestling is universal. And yes. You have to understand something to enjoy, or you're not actually enjoying said thing. You're setting a placebo effect from a fallacy. That concise enough for you? Professional Wrestling is to entertain. By performing matches that convince that what you're watching isn't the equivalent of a magic show. It wouldn't be as wonderful, if it wasn't potential life long friends tricking us into thinking they're bitter enemies. I love being best friends with the men I walk into that ring with & pour our souls out for those loving, supportive fans. There's not a damn, elitist thing about it. I owe my joy of wrestling to every man, & woman who gave their lifetimes to make it great. Be it Warrior, Robinson, or anyone of importance to the craft in or out of the ring. I want all of them to receive recognition & appreciation. To get back to your initial argument, saying that you thought Mad Dog Vachon & Billy Robinson meant more to wrestling than Ultimate Warrior simply because of tenure and "influence the professional side of the craft" they had is so silly....that may be your opinion but please understand you are alone in that opinion. How many of those men on stage this last raw would tell you who had more direct influence on them getting in the business? most if not all would name Warrior over Vachon/Robinson... If you're going to quote me, quote me properly. When it comes to influencing wrestlers across generations & continents, Vachon influenced every Heel to come after him indirectly or otherwise. Robinson enjoys the same recognition among the grappling/wrestling elite. If in a discussion free of public scrutiny, few of them would consider any of them an influence. The Ultimate Warrior wasn't good enough of a wrestler to influence any of the top dogs of today. Batista, & Cena, are among the exception. I'm hopelessly disheartened that a creative man lost out on seeing his children grow up, but I refuse to disrespect him by claiming he's better than he actually is for the sake of post death band wagon jumping. He wasn't as bad a person as that bloody Self-Destruction DVD made him out to be, but he still lacked the in-ring skill needed to match his ability as a showman. I'm not referring to his mat-based grappling skills. His theatrical moves simply lacked that crisp fluidity.
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Post by hemanhelmsley on Apr 16, 2014 9:41:34 GMT -5
I was thinking how great it would have been if Savage had been given even half as much respect by the WWE when he passed
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2014 9:47:18 GMT -5
There's nothing elitist about enjoying when men work hard to make their wrestling believable. The matches themselves aren't nuances. They're the foundation of it. ALL of it. NO MATCHES? NO WRESTLING. Martin Burns, one of the greatest practitioners of the 19th century, won his first match wearing overalls. Wrestling is universal. And yes. You have to understand something to enjoy, or you're not actually enjoying said thing. You're setting a placebo effect from a fallacy. That concise enough for you? Professional Wrestling is to entertain. By performing matches that convince that what you're watching isn't the equivalent of a magic show. It wouldn't be as wonderful, if it wasn't potential life long friends tricking us into thinking they're bitter enemies. I love being best friends with the men I walk into that ring with & pour our souls out for those loving, supportive fans. There's not a damn, elitist thing about it. I owe my joy of wrestling to every man, & woman who gave their lifetimes to make it great. Be it Warrior, Robinson, or anyone of importance to the craft in or out of the ring. I want all of them to receive recognition & appreciation. To get back to your initial argument, saying that you thought Mad Dog Vachon & Billy Robinson meant more to wrestling than Ultimate Warrior simply because of tenure and "influence the professional side of the craft" they had is so silly....that may be your opinion but please understand you are alone in that opinion. How many of those men on stage this last raw would tell you who had more direct influence on them getting in the business? most if not all would name Warrior over Vachon/Robinson...
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Post by RybackV1 on Apr 17, 2014 1:02:31 GMT -5
I stayed silent put my phone down and watched in respect.
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Post by Rated NC-17 on Apr 17, 2014 2:12:24 GMT -5
I noticed not a lot of wrestlers seemed to really care and none were crying compared to how much emotion was present when Eddie died.
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