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Post by T R W on May 6, 2013 14:50:47 GMT -5
You can apply this to your favorite team in different sports. But if you could go back, and change only 1 draft pick in your team's history (it has to be someone they could have picked instead of who they did, i.e. picked after) which pick would it be? Who would you change it to? How do you think it would have changed your team history?
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Post by sean™ on May 6, 2013 14:56:43 GMT -5
Oh, that's easy. Draft Dan Marino in 83 to Kansas City. Result? We would had a HOF bound QB, that wasn't traded to us by another team.
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Post by T R W on May 6, 2013 14:59:59 GMT -5
Oh, that's easy. Draft Dan Marino in 83. Which team? Which pick? Who did they take then? If they had done that how far do you think they could have gone if everything else remained the same? What would the trickle down effect be such as players they drafted later that they might not have been able to if their record had been better because of this change. The details help make this fun.
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Post by A Flair for the Gold on May 6, 2013 15:09:57 GMT -5
would be nice if the bucks kept dirk.
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Post by sean™ on May 6, 2013 15:12:57 GMT -5
7th Pick in the 1983 Draft - Kansas City Chiefs
Was: Todd Blackridge, Quarterback - who was out of the league by 1989, and retired with a OB rating of 60.2 with 29 TDs to 38 Interceptions.
Should been: Dan Marino, Quarterback.
Considering that Kansas City's main issue for the last few decades has been QB, this would have improved us dramatically as far as wins and loses go. Our Defense mixed with Marino's magic in the early 90s would have been a great combination.
Most intresting thought: If we have Marino already, we wouldn't have traded for Montana. So where he would have gone and the success he would of had is interesting to say the least.
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Post by sonstuds on May 6, 2013 15:39:51 GMT -5
For the Titans, Randy Moss instead of Kevin Dyson. Generally speaking from '99 to '03 they were SB contenders, so you add Randy Moss to an offense which already consisted of Steve McNair, Eddie George, Frank Wycheck, and Derrick Mason and a good offensive line and defense and it isn't much of a stretch to think it could have put them over the top.
Very close second would be Aaron Rodgers over Pacman Jones.
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Post by cordless2016 on May 6, 2013 16:12:53 GMT -5
2001 NBA Draft for the Chicago Bulls.
First keep Elton Brand instead of trading him for Tyson Chandler.
Second, draft Joe Johnson instead of Eddie Curry.
Granted, we probably wouldn't have Rose today, but those were some dark times for this team and the Brand trade still puzzles me to this day. Add Johnson to a team w/ a young Brand, Ron Artest, Jamal Crawford, and Brad Miller, and you have a nice group of guys. Artest had a ton of baggage and personl issues at the time, but guys like Brand, Johnson, and Miller could have kept him in check for the most part IMO.
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Post by sean™ on May 6, 2013 16:36:02 GMT -5
How could I forget?
1991 NFL Draft - 21st Pick - Kansas City
Who did we pick? Harvey Williams, RB from LSU. A complete bust who was not only beat out by two other RBs his only 2 years with the Chiefs, but was then completely replaced by Marcus Allen. A complete dud that likely would have faded away no matter what team he went to.
Who should we have picked? Brett ****ing Favre.
Impact: Kansas City would finally have it's revenge from Super Bowl 1, stealing away Green Bay's future leader back to the promise land. The Broncos would have likely wooed Favre to Denver ala the Vikings, which would have either put another ring on Favre's finger or a sour taste in Denver's mouth that would have made them shy away from Manning.
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Post by Jamal on May 6, 2013 16:39:40 GMT -5
Kyle Boller without a doubt.
I don't really have a player in mind I'd rather have in that draft, but anyone would have been better than Boller.
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Post by Kliquid on May 6, 2013 16:56:32 GMT -5
8th pick in the 2002 NFL draft - Dallas Cowboys
Was: Roy Williams, Safety
Should have been: Ed Reed, Safety
Reed, one of the greatest safeties in NFL history, was drafted 16 picks after the Dallas Cowboys selected Roy Williams. Although Williams had some qualities that Reed didn't (tackling ability, for example), Reed was unquestionably the better overall player. Reed, a likely future Hall of Famer, has intercepted 61 passes, seven of which he returned for touchdowns. By comparison, Williams intercepted just 20 passes in his entire career, which came to an uneventful end in 2010 as a member of the Cincinnati Bengals.
The Cowboys have had the talent to win a Super Bowl after the past decade-or-so. Unfortunately they have been absolutely destroyed by opposing passing games, particularly the deep ball, which Ed Reed has been known for being excellent at defending. Also Dallas has been far below average many years when it comes to forcing interceptions. Certainly Reed would have helped with that.
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Post by T R W on May 6, 2013 21:08:19 GMT -5
How could I forget? 1991 NFL Draft - 21st Pick - Kansas City Who did we pick? Harvey Williams, RB from LSU. A complete bust who was not only beat out by two other RBs his only 2 years with the Chiefs, but was then completely replaced by Marcus Allen. A complete dud that likely would have faded away no matter what team he went to. Who should we have picked? Brett ****ing Favre. Impact: Kansas City would finally have it's revenge from Super Bowl 1, stealing away Green Bay's future leader back to the promise land. The Broncos would have likely wooed Favre to Denver ala the Vikings, which would have either put another ring on Favre's finger or a sour taste in Denver's mouth that would have made them shy away from Manning. I think this would give them a better chance at a championship than Marino would have. If they took Marino in 1983, they would arguably have been a better team, and odds are they don't get guys like Neil Smith and Derrick Thomas in the draft. You put Favre on the team that already had all of those other great players, and I think their chance to win is better than if they had taken Marino. At least on paper.
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Post by T R W on May 6, 2013 21:10:34 GMT -5
For the Titans, Randy Moss instead of Kevin Dyson. Generally speaking from '99 to '03 they were SB contenders, so you add Randy Moss to an offense which already consisted of Steve McNair, Eddie George, Frank Wycheck, and Derrick Mason and a good offensive line and defense and it isn't much of a stretch to think it could have put them over the top. Very close second would be Aaron Rodgers over Pacman Jones. You know, with Moss instead of Dyson, maybe they don't fall a yard short in the super bowl. Dyson was a pretty solid player, but to have Moss then, that could have been big.
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Post by T R W on May 6, 2013 21:16:41 GMT -5
Kyle Boller without a doubt. I don't really have a player in mind I'd rather have in that draft, but anyone would have been better than Boller. Kyle Boller was the suck. Your choices that would have been vastly better that year are Willis McGahee, Larry Johnson, Nmandi Asomugha, Dallas Clark, Rashean Mathis, Anquan Boldin, Osi Umenyiora, Lance Briggs, Jason Witten, Asante Samuel, and Robert Mathis. But likely, if they took a different QB, it would have been Rex Grossman instead.
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Post by Nivro™ on May 6, 2013 21:17:05 GMT -5
With the 65th pick in the 2000 NFL Draft, The San Francisco 49ers select Gio Carmazzi TOM ING BRADY!!!Im not saying we win any Super Bowls but Im not saying we wouldnt either. All I know is that guys like Ken Dorsey, Tim Rattay, Alex Smith, Cody Pickett, Trent Dilfer, Shaun Hill, Chris Weinke, J.T. O'Sullivan and Troy Smith would have never started for us. We *could* have potentially went from HOF'er Joe Montana to HOF'er Steve Young to Jeff Garcia to HOF'er Tom Brady to "sky's the limit" Colin Kaepernick Im going to go cry now.
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Post by T R W on May 6, 2013 21:22:47 GMT -5
2001 NBA Draft for the Chicago Bulls. First keep Elton Brand instead of trading him for Tyson Chandler. Second, draft Joe Johnson instead of Eddie Curry. Granted, we probably wouldn't have Rose today, but those were some dark times for this team and the Brand trade still puzzles me to this day. Add Johnson to a team w/ a young Brand, Ron Artest, Jamal Crawford, and Brad Miller, and you have a nice group of guys. Artest had a ton of baggage and personl issues at the time, but guys like Brand, Johnson, and Miller could have kept him in check for the most part IMO. It's hard to imagine Joe Johnson being one of the biggest blunders in a team's history, but it's possible that might have been enough to make them pretty competitive, but I don't think it would have made them serious contenders. What if in 1985, the Bulls took Karl Malone instead of Keith Lee? Jordan and Malone together through their primes? Could they have broken through earlier than 1990 past the Pistons and Celtics? Maybe they don't trade for Pippen later because of it.
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Post by T R W on May 6, 2013 21:32:03 GMT -5
With the 65th pick in the 2000 NFL Draft, The San Francisco 49ers select Gio Carmazzi TOM ING BRADY!!!Im not saying we win any Super Bowls but Im not saying we wouldnt either. All I know is that guys like Ken Dorsey, Tim Rattay, Alex Smith, Cody Pickett, Trent Dilfer, Shaun Hill, Chris Weinke, J.T. O'Sullivan and Troy Smith would have never started for us. We *could* have potentially went from HOF'er Joe Montana to HOF'er Steve Young to Jeff Garcia to HOF'er Tom Brady to "sky's the limit" Colin Kaepernick Im going to go cry now. Pretty much the entire NFL can kick themselves in the ass for that. I guess the question is, without Belichick does Tom Brady become Tom Brady?
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Post by cordless2016 on May 6, 2013 21:33:10 GMT -5
2001 NBA Draft for the Chicago Bulls. First keep Elton Brand instead of trading him for Tyson Chandler. Second, draft Joe Johnson instead of Eddie Curry. Granted, we probably wouldn't have Rose today, but those were some dark times for this team and the Brand trade still puzzles me to this day. Add Johnson to a team w/ a young Brand, Ron Artest, Jamal Crawford, and Brad Miller, and you have a nice group of guys. Artest had a ton of baggage and personl issues at the time, but guys like Brand, Johnson, and Miller could have kept him in check for the most part IMO. It's hard to imagine Joe Johnson being one of the biggest blunders in a team's history, but it's possible that might have been enough to make them pretty competitive, but I don't think it would have made them serious contenders. What if in 1985, the Bulls took Karl Malone instead of Keith Lee? Jordan and Malone together through their primes? Could they have broken through earlier than 1990 past the Pistons and Celtics? Maybe they don't trade for Pippen later because of it. In his prime Johnson was one of the most productive SGs in the league for Phoenix and Atlanta. He basically single handedly made Atlanta relevant again but sadly his prime years were stuck on a poorly structured Hawks team (Josh Smith has always been one of the laziest guys around and nothing more than hype and potential). Johnson and Brand teaming together w/ Artest and Crawford as role players would have made this a very solid team to contend in the early 2000s in a very, very weak Eastern Conference.
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Post by Nivro™ on May 6, 2013 21:44:20 GMT -5
With the 65th pick in the 2000 NFL Draft, The San Francisco 49ers select Gio Carmazzi TOM ING BRADY!!!Im not saying we win any Super Bowls but Im not saying we wouldnt either. All I know is that guys like Ken Dorsey, Tim Rattay, Alex Smith, Cody Pickett, Trent Dilfer, Shaun Hill, Chris Weinke, J.T. O'Sullivan and Troy Smith would have never started for us. We *could* have potentially went from HOF'er Joe Montana to HOF'er Steve Young to Jeff Garcia to HOF'er Tom Brady to "sky's the limit" Colin Kaepernick Im going to go cry now. Pretty much the entire NFL can kick themselves in the ass for that. I guess the question is, without Belichick does Tom Brady become Tom Brady? Very true, one could ask though.....without Brady, does Bill Belichick become Bill Belichick? I think its kinda like the Walsh-Montana, Hulkamania-McMahon, Chicken-Egg type thing.
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Post by Lk™ on May 6, 2013 21:45:56 GMT -5
I wish Vancouver picked PK Subban instead of Patrick White in 07
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Post by T R W on May 6, 2013 21:46:59 GMT -5
8th pick in the 2002 NFL draft - Dallas Cowboys Was: Roy Williams, Safety Should have been: Ed Reed, Safety Reed, one of the greatest safeties in NFL history, was drafted 16 picks after the Dallas Cowboys selected Roy Williams. Although Williams had some qualities that Reed didn't (tackling ability, for example), Reed was unquestionably the better overall player. Reed, a likely future Hall of Famer, has intercepted 61 passes, seven of which he returned for touchdowns. By comparison, Williams intercepted just 20 passes in his entire career, which came to an uneventful end in 2010 as a member of the Cincinnati Bengals. The Cowboys have had the talent to win a Super Bowl after the past decade-or-so. Unfortunately they have been absolutely destroyed by opposing passing games, particularly the deep ball, which Ed Reed has been known for being excellent at defending. Also Dallas has been far below average many years when it comes to forcing interceptions. Certainly Reed would have helped with that. Ed Reed would have been a huge difference for them I think. Roy Williams wasn't a bad player by any means, but he's not Ed Reed, and I think you are right about the weaknesses he would have addressed.
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