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Post by alwayssunny on Aug 4, 2011 14:37:38 GMT -5
I've always wondered if wrestling was always scripted or was there a point that wrestling turned into a scripted sport entertainment business. If it was always scripted then how is Bruno Sammartino and Bob Backlund's reigns credible?
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Post by machoking on Aug 4, 2011 14:39:44 GMT -5
As far as I know its always been scripted. Most of the circus stuff in the early 1900s were scripted.
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Post by Brankind on Aug 4, 2011 14:40:57 GMT -5
Both are credible , Bruno still has the longest reign for a WWF/WWE Champion. Bob Backlund was also a draw for his day. It was a different time where there was no PPV/Supercards. it was all house shows and one hour of TV (I think). You did nto have Bruno vs someone every week on TV for months like John Cena vs Edge or Randy Orton , it was off TV so people were drawn to it
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Post by alwayssunny on Aug 4, 2011 14:53:48 GMT -5
Both are credible , Bruno still has the longest reign for a WWF/WWE Champion. Bob Backlund was also a draw for his day. It was a different time where there was no PPV/Supercards. it was all house shows and one hour of TV (I think). You did nto have Bruno vs someone every week on TV for months like John Cena vs Edge or Randy Orton , it was off TV so people were drawn to it If it was always scripted, then they can't have any credit if they were given those long reigns by writers not by skill. |
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Post by awesomeallamerican on Aug 4, 2011 15:16:13 GMT -5
Both are credible , Bruno still has the longest reign for a WWF/WWE Champion. Bob Backlund was also a draw for his day. It was a different time where there was no PPV/Supercards. it was all house shows and one hour of TV (I think). You did nto have Bruno vs someone every week on TV for months like John Cena vs Edge or Randy Orton , it was off TV so people were drawn to it If it was always scripted, then they can't have any credit if they were given those long reigns by writers not by skill. You didn't actually think Bruno and Backlund were legitimately fighting people did you? Did you? |
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Post by Brankind on Aug 4, 2011 15:29:26 GMT -5
If it was always scripted, then they can't have any credit if they were given those long reigns by writers not by skill. You didn't actually think Bruno and Backlund were legitimately fighting people did you? Did you? they had bookers back then , not writers. I'd say they are more credible then today's guys since they got over by putting on great matches and not loved for great catch phrases. For what I understand two guys were told they were wrestling , who won and how long they had. rest was up to them. When they had to do a promo they were told what points to get across , but in there own way. |
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Post by Tye Hyll on Aug 4, 2011 15:39:14 GMT -5
I saw a documentary on the evolution of pro wrestling and it started off as real but the matches went on for far too long so they started "scripting" finishes and progressively more and more they started "scripting" it until it has become what it is today.
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Post by alexgg on Aug 4, 2011 15:42:31 GMT -5
Matches would go on for a long time if it wasn't scripted, its interesting imo.
Wrestling wouldn't be as popular nowadays if it wasn't scripted though I wouldn't think.
It would be cool to see what it would be like nowadays anyway.
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Post by punksnotdead on Aug 4, 2011 15:44:28 GMT -5
Matches would go on for a long time if it wasn't scripted, its interesting imo. Wrestling wouldn't be as popular nowadays if it wasn't scripted though I wouldn't think. It would be cool to see what it would be like nowadays anyway. Like, the UFC... |
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Post by alexgg on Aug 4, 2011 15:49:31 GMT -5
I don't mean in that way, im mean who would be there.
Would Cena be a wrestler? would people over the years become wrestlers?
A lot of them grew up watching people like shawn micheals and aspire from that, everything would be different.
Hulkamania woulda been a lot different too, might not of had happened.
Yeah it would be like UFC, but the layout and everything would be different.
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Post by Diet echo on Aug 4, 2011 16:42:27 GMT -5
I'm sure there's a documentary talking about this. I think it's Gotch and some other top level guys in the 1910's made the decision. Basically you can run more shows and expand your longevity if you work with each other rather than legit fight. More money to be made by them and they can give the audience what they want, that's pro wrestling 101. Rather than risk the chance of a fan favorite getting their butt handed to them by some no body, you can make both guys look decent and have your top guy win. Obviously as time progressed the shows got more and more scripted as the moves became more outlandish(you can apply a hammer lock without the help of your opponent but try and do a body slam without the guy posting and make it look good is near impossible.)
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Post by k5 on Aug 4, 2011 18:01:10 GMT -5
I'm sure there's a documentary talking about this. I think it's Gotch and some other top level guys in the 1910's made the decision. Basically you can run more shows and expand your longevity if you work with each other rather than legit fight. More money to be made by them and they can give the audience what they want, that's pro wrestling 101. Rather than risk the chance of a fan favorite getting their butt handed to them by some no body, you can make both guys look decent and have your top guy win. Obviously as time progressed the shows got more and more scripted as the moves became more outlandish(you can apply a hammer lock without the help of your opponent but try and do a body slam without the guy posting and make it look good is near impossible.) this is the best answer you're going to get. and the reason sammartino and backlund's reigns are credible is because of how much of a draw, or in other terms a success, completely decided their course in their career. sammartino must have been absolutely LOVED by the audience for him to hold the reigns he had and the wwwf consider it a wise business decision. it's truly a testament of how big of a success they were. |
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Post by hbkrules on Aug 4, 2011 20:08:13 GMT -5
Both are credible , Bruno still has the longest reign for a WWF/WWE Champion. Bob Backlund was also a draw for his day. It was a different time where there was no PPV/Supercards. it was all house shows and one hour of TV (I think). You did nto have Bruno vs someone every week on TV for months like John Cena vs Edge or Randy Orton , it was off TV so people were drawn to it If it was always scripted, then they can't have any credit if they were given those long reigns by writers not by skill. They still deserve credit for being great entertainers and draws. It's pretty hard to keep people's attention for 15+ years. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2011 20:17:18 GMT -5
Back in the 1900s it was catc has catch can. then I think in the 40s pro-wrestling got bigger and it became scripted. some of the catch as catch cans were scripted but its never been proven.
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Post by Richikane on Aug 4, 2011 20:35:21 GMT -5
I was literally just thinking about this today at work. I was wondering if it had ever been a real. Thanks for posting and for the good answers that were posted
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