Revvie®
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Somewhere between Reality, and the Absurd
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Post by Revvie® on Mar 12, 2011 17:18:21 GMT -5
A church in rome said a few weeks ago that the story of adam and eve (whatever they're called )they don't believe in. That throws the whole story away with the poison apple and other stuff I think you're mixing up the Garden of Eden with Snow White because the fruit wasn't poisonous and no one knows if it was an apple. If I am correct(im unsure on this) but im pretty sure it never even defines it as a fruit but only states eating from the tree itself in some way. |
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Post by extreme on Mar 12, 2011 18:35:44 GMT -5
I think you're mixing up the Garden of Eden with Snow White because the fruit wasn't poisonous and no one knows if it was an apple. If I am correct(im unsure on this) but im pretty sure it never even defines it as a fruit but only states eating from the tree itself in some way. Genesis 3:3 "but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.'" |
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Post by k5 on Mar 12, 2011 20:05:19 GMT -5
I'm looking forward to your opinion most, TBH. I really didn't mean to come off like a dick, man. But these threads always degenerate into a Christianity bash fest. I've had the mature conversations with the same handful of guys whom I know respect it; k5, Hulk, Slappy, Stingersplash, you. Outside of that, it's the same crap. yea honestly, i'd say your making the right choice by 'turning the other cheek' - pun slightly intended. there's no use trying to talk to people who only want to stay within their comfort state of ignorance. |
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Post by TheNinthCloud on Mar 12, 2011 23:44:38 GMT -5
I'm looking forward to your opinion most, TBH. I really didn't mean to come off like a dick, man. But these threads always degenerate into a Christianity bash fest. I've had the mature conversations with the same handful of guys whom I know respect it; k5, Hulk, Slappy, Stingersplash, you. Outside of that, it's the same crap. You weren't a dick? The potential of this being a bash fest is obvious. I'm surprised it's still open. I agree, you are doing the right thing by not getting involved, just wouldn't mind another mature conversation or two. |
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Mar 13, 2011 10:57:17 GMT -5
It's not about the stories in it, or even if they're true. It's about the morale of the stories. You need to understand the meaning of them, it's all about bettering yourself as a person and treating people well. That's what the bible is all about. Such as? The bible also condones slavery, sexism, homophobia among other ridiculous notions, and SPREADS them. Not attacking you personally at all, but I don't like people blindly praising the bible for being a 'moral guidebook'. If you don't know it's wrong to murder by your own moral consciousness, they quite frankly, you're a terrible human being. So no, the bible has very little bearing on bettering yourself. The bible doesn't "condone" those things. A common misconception about the Bible, is that EVERYTHING written in it is a command. Well, it's not. Just because something was a practice in biblical times and is in the bible, doesn't mean that it's being condoned. It doesn't condone Homophobia. Not agreeing with the homosexual lifestyle doesn't make you homophobic. That's like concluding that every Vegan you meet is a member of PETA. I don't see how it condones slavery at all. Like, not one bit. Nor does the Bible condone sexism. It does teach that the man is to be the provider and the woman is to keep the home. But neither of those are limited. It doesn't mean that the woman can't work. In fact, it means that in a Christian marriage, she doesn't have to. And it doesn't mean that the guy doesn't have to lift a finger around the house either. The main point of those particular teachings, is to instill that the Man, the Father, should be the head of the household. And I can't say that I disagree with that. There you go guys. I couldn't resist anyway.  |
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Post by CM Poor on Mar 13, 2011 11:03:36 GMT -5
Such as? The bible also condones slavery, sexism, homophobia among other ridiculous notions, and SPREADS them. Not attacking you personally at all, but I don't like people blindly praising the bible for being a 'moral guidebook'. If you don't know it's wrong to murder by your own moral consciousness, they quite frankly, you're a terrible human being. So no, the bible has very little bearing on bettering yourself. The bible doesn't "condone" those things. A common misconception about the Bible, is that EVERYTHING written in it is a command. Well, it's not. Just because something was a practice in biblical times and is in the bible, doesn't mean that it's being condoned. It doesn't condone Homophobia. Not agreeing with the homosexual lifestyle doesn't make you homophobic. That's like concluding that every Vegan you meet is a member of PETA. I don't see how it condones slavery at all. Like, not one bit. Nor does the Bible condone sexism. It does teach that the man is to be the provider and the woman is to keep the home. But neither of those are limited. It doesn't mean that the woman can't work. In fact, it means that in a Christian marriage, she doesn't have to. And it doesn't mean that the guy doesn't have to lift a finger around the house either. The main point of those particular teachings, is to instill that the Man, the Father, should be the head of the household. And I can't say that I disagree with that.There you go guys. I couldn't resist anyway. It could be argued that the very notion of what a man "should" do and what a woman "should" do is sexist in itself - and I'd be inclined to agree. |
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Mar 13, 2011 11:18:43 GMT -5
The bible doesn't "condone" those things. A common misconception about the Bible, is that EVERYTHING written in it is a command. Well, it's not. Just because something was a practice in biblical times and is in the bible, doesn't mean that it's being condoned. It doesn't condone Homophobia. Not agreeing with the homosexual lifestyle doesn't make you homophobic. That's like concluding that every Vegan you meet is a member of PETA. I don't see how it condones slavery at all. Like, not one bit. Nor does the Bible condone sexism. It does teach that the man is to be the provider and the woman is to keep the home. But neither of those are limited. It doesn't mean that the woman can't work. In fact, it means that in a Christian marriage, she doesn't have to. And it doesn't mean that the guy doesn't have to lift a finger around the house either. The main point of those particular teachings, is to instill that the Man, the Father, should be the head of the household. And I can't say that I disagree with that.There you go guys. I couldn't resist anyway. It could be argued that the very notion of what a man "should" do and what a woman "should" do is sexist in itself - and I'd be inclined to agree. I get that. It makes total sense. I respect that some people may see it that way. But the problem starts when those who live that lifestyle are criticized for being closed minded and living a sexist lifestyle. See, I believe that sexism has degrees to it, or at least it can. When it comes to a point that it's confrontational, or downright insulting (neither of which I feel that bible does), that's when I consider it to be a problem. |
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Post by CM Poor on Mar 13, 2011 11:39:39 GMT -5
It could be argued that the very notion of what a man "should" do and what a woman "should" do is sexist in itself - and I'd be inclined to agree. I get that. It makes total sense. I respect that some people may see it that way. But the problem starts when those who live that lifestyle are criticized for being closed minded and living a sexist lifestyle. See, I believe that sexism has degrees to it, or at least it can. When it comes to a point that it's confrontational, or downright insulting (neither of which I feel that bible does), that's when I consider it to be a problem. What about when people who live opposite that lifestyle - say with a woman in the role of primary bread winner and a man playing the role of stay at home dad - come under fire? |
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Post by slappy on Mar 13, 2011 11:59:18 GMT -5
Such as? The bible also condones slavery, sexism, homophobia among other ridiculous notions, and SPREADS them. Not attacking you personally at all, but I don't like people blindly praising the bible for being a 'moral guidebook'. If you don't know it's wrong to murder by your own moral consciousness, they quite frankly, you're a terrible human being. So no, the bible has very little bearing on bettering yourself. The bible doesn't "condone" those things. A common misconception about the Bible, is that EVERYTHING written in it is a command. Well, it's not. Just because something was a practice in biblical times and is in the bible, doesn't mean that it's being condoned. It doesn't condone Homophobia. Not agreeing with the homosexual lifestyle doesn't make you homophobic. That's like concluding that every Vegan you meet is a member of PETA. I don't see how it condones slavery at all. Like, not one bit. Nor does the Bible condone sexism. It does teach that the man is to be the provider and the woman is to keep the home. But neither of those are limited. It doesn't mean that the woman can't work. In fact, it means that in a Christian marriage, she doesn't have to. And it doesn't mean that the guy doesn't have to lift a finger around the house either. The main point of those particular teachings, is to instill that the Man, the Father, should be the head of the household. And I can't say that I disagree with that. There you go guys. I couldn't resist anyway. But hard liners do take some of it as a command. There are some pretty awful things in there but there are also some pretty great things. I just wish people wouldn't discount one because they just don't like it or it doesn't fit what they are saying. |
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Post by extreme on Mar 13, 2011 12:16:50 GMT -5
I think that is what is wrong with Christians these days. People go to the Bible and twist the scripture into making it say what they want it to say--everything that goes against what they think is disregarded. They totally miss the big picture or at least they try to avoid it.
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Mar 13, 2011 12:18:27 GMT -5
I get that. It makes total sense. I respect that some people may see it that way. But the problem starts when those who live that lifestyle are criticized for being closed minded and living a sexist lifestyle. See, I believe that sexism has degrees to it, or at least it can. When it comes to a point that it's confrontational, or downright insulting (neither of which I feel that bible does), that's when I consider it to be a problem. What about when people who live opposite that lifestyle - say with a woman in the role of primary bread winner and a man playing the role of stay at home dad - come under fire? Not necessarily. I think it's only wrong when one party refuses to do something. I mean like if the woman were the bread winner because the man refused to work. Or if the husband had to keep the home because the wife refused to. That, I think is wrong. |
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Post by thebeastlesnar on Mar 13, 2011 16:55:10 GMT -5
Lulz, I hate when Athiests think they're so cool because they don't believe...
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Post by Guy Incognito on Mar 13, 2011 17:18:59 GMT -5
Satan did, but then Vince Russo came along and swerve.
Now Satan is the top heel.
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Post by noir on Mar 13, 2011 19:50:23 GMT -5
To say that atheists don't know enough about the bible to criticise is a very distorted position to take. I'm willing to bet that myself (among a huge majority of christianity critics) know a lot more about the bible than half the people who claim it as their religion. Much of it revolves around pressure from family etc. and these values have spread despite many not knowing what they are actually supporting. The bible doesn't "condone" those things. A common misconception about the Bible, is that EVERYTHING written in it is a command. Well, it's not. Just because something was a practice in biblical times and is in the bible, doesn't mean that it's being condoned. It doesn't condone Homophobia. Not agreeing with the homosexual lifestyle doesn't make you homophobic. That's like concluding that every Vegan you meet is a member of PETA. I don't see how it condones slavery at all. Like, not one bit. Nor does the Bible condone sexism. It does teach that the man is to be the provider and the woman is to keep the home. But neither of those are limited. It doesn't mean that the woman can't work. In fact, it means that in a Christian marriage, she doesn't have to. And it doesn't mean that the guy doesn't have to lift a finger around the house either. The main point of those particular teachings, is to instill that the Man, the Father, should be the head of the household. And I can't say that I disagree with that. There you go guys. I couldn't resist anyway. the bit I bolded is ridiculous. Pure ****. The Peta part makes no sense. Not every homophobic takes part in Westboro baptist church protests, just like not every vegan is a part of PETA. They still exist, and I don't see how saying not agreeing with it is any different from being prejudice against it. The bible has many verses which allude to homophobia, because at the time in which it was written, this was the norm. Thankfully, human ethics and knowledge have evolved to become more accepting of biological traits that set us apart from our fellow man. I maintain that religion is one of the things that are preventing us from reaching further equality. As for the slavery, sexism etc. I guess that's how you want to interpret it. I mean lines such as, "When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property" are there. Who says them, and whether you choose to support them are another issue. For me however, quotations such as the one above are disgusting and is one of the many reasons I dislike the bible as a text. The website evilbible.com makes direct reference to many of the questionable verses in the bible for anyone curious about the subject. I get it. People want comfort from death, from suffering, from loneliness. But those who claim Christianity as absolute truth really confuse me. Your religion is defined purely by geography and socialization. I'm not against spirituality, or creationism at all, but I believe a lot of what christianity has to offer restricts the pursuit of knowledge. I find christianity to be a very selfish movement in that if one believes that their 'God' is responding to their requests, they are also accepting that their god is allowing for all the pain and suffering that occurs elsewhere (I'm talking starvation, aids etc.) to exist. Also, Badnewz, I don't want you to think I'm simply out to disagree with you. I've seen you about on the WWE boards and you're one of those guys whose posts I'm always nodding my head agreeably to. However, it's clear we're both quite passionate about the subject at hand so I'm just trying to put across the other side of the coin. |
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Post by k5 on Mar 13, 2011 23:37:20 GMT -5
I'm not against spirituality, or creationism at all, but I believe a lot of what christianity has to offer restricts the pursuit of knowledge. this, i completely agree with, and have also stated similarly in the past. man is meant to look to the sky and wonder, not silence their speculation with inane perimeters. |
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Post by extreme on Mar 14, 2011 1:12:01 GMT -5
The bible doesn't "condone" those things. A common misconception about the Bible, is that EVERYTHING written in it is a command. Well, it's not. Just because something was a practice in biblical times and is in the bible, doesn't mean that it's being condoned. It doesn't condone Homophobia. Not agreeing with the homosexual lifestyle doesn't make you homophobic. That's like concluding that every Vegan you meet is a member of PETA. I don't see how it condones slavery at all. Like, not one bit. Nor does the Bible condone sexism. It does teach that the man is to be the provider and the woman is to keep the home. But neither of those are limited. It doesn't mean that the woman can't work. In fact, it means that in a Christian marriage, she doesn't have to. And it doesn't mean that the guy doesn't have to lift a finger around the house either. The main point of those particular teachings, is to instill that the Man, the Father, should be the head of the household. And I can't say that I disagree with that. There you go guys. I couldn't resist anyway. the bit I bolded is ridiculous. Pure ****. The Peta part makes no sense. Not every homophobic takes part in Westboro baptist church protests, just like not every vegan is a part of PETA. They still exist, and I don't see how saying not agreeing with it is any different from being prejudice against it. I disagree. If you have friend or relative that has a different lifestyle that you don't agree with, that doesn't mean you hate them and want nothing to do with them. |
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I dont know good luck 
