Dwight
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Post by Dwight on Aug 13, 2009 23:38:29 GMT -5
Wow another one? I bought the first one...thats good enough. Every Hogan relevant Hogan match has been show to death or released at some point and time.
No thanks.
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Post by HugoOne on Aug 14, 2009 0:11:33 GMT -5
They've already ing made two of them. in fact, I'm pretty sure the Ultimate Anthology is down to 10 bucks at FYE. Same goes for cena. People don't have to like the Hulkster but for Christ sakes show the man some respect. He helped propel the business that we love today. No thanks. As much as he's helped the business, he's also hurt the business. So no thank you. Don't give a damn about him. And again, he's had two DVDs already. I'm not putting him on the same level as Hogan in terms of ticket sales, but where is my second Bret Hart DVD?
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Post by L 0 T T 0 on Aug 14, 2009 1:13:43 GMT -5
Make it, who cares. I'll buy it. The more Hogan stuff , the better.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Aug 14, 2009 1:26:12 GMT -5
They've already ing made two of them. in fact, I'm pretty sure the Ultimate Anthology is down to 10 bucks at FYE. Same goes for cena. People don't have to like the Hulkster but for Christ sakes show the man some respect. He helped propel the business that we love today. No one needs to show Old Leather Butt any respect. He didn't propel the biz, Vinny Mac did. McMahon took a lumbering, balding bodybuilder with minimal athletic ability and convinced the world that Hogan was something special. That is true genius on Vince's part. Old Leather Butt was just in the right place at the right time. Why anyone would want to buy yet another Hogan DVD, when his matches were among the most homogenized ever, is beyond me.
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Post by Brock F'n Lesnar on Aug 14, 2009 5:37:08 GMT -5
yay more hogan
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Post by sevb30 on Aug 14, 2009 7:43:56 GMT -5
Same goes for cena. People don't have to like the Hulkster but for Christ sakes show the man some respect. He helped propel the business that we love today. No one needs to show Old Leather Butt any respect. He didn't propel the biz, Vinny Mac did. McMahon took a lumbering, balding bodybuilder with minimal athletic ability and convinced the world that Hogan was something special. That is true genius on Vince's part. Old Leather Butt was just in the right place at the right time. Why anyone would want to buy yet another Hogan DVD, when his matches were among the most homogenized ever, is beyond me. If that's the case Nobody propelled the biz in the WWF/E except Vinnie Mac. The would be no Shawn Michaels, no Rock, no Stone Cold without Vince's help. If Hogan had not drawn and been as popular as he was, he would not have been pushed over and over again. Hogan would still draw even today, even just to be seen. Just because you don't like him doesn't mean you speak for everyone.
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Post by sevb30 on Aug 14, 2009 7:45:03 GMT -5
No one needs to show Old Leather Butt any respect. He didn't propel the biz, Vinny Mac did. McMahon took a lumbering, balding bodybuilder with minimal athletic ability and convinced the world that Hogan was something special. That is true genius on Vince's part. Old Leather Butt was just in the right place at the right time. Why anyone would want to buy yet another Hogan DVD, when his matches were among the most homogenized ever, is beyond me. If that's the case Nobody propelled the biz in the WWF/E except Vinnie Mac. The would be no Shawn Michaels, no Rock, no Stone Cold without Vince's help. If Hogan had not drawn and been as popular as he was, he would not have been pushed over and over again. Hogan would still draw even today, even just to be seen.
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Post by layton on Aug 14, 2009 9:05:16 GMT -5
No one needs to show Old Leather Butt any respect. He didn't propel the biz, Vinny Mac did. McMahon took a lumbering, balding bodybuilder with minimal athletic ability and convinced the world that Hogan was something special. That is true genius on Vince's part. Old Leather Butt was just in the right place at the right time. Why anyone would want to buy yet another Hogan DVD, when his matches were among the most homogenized ever, is beyond me. If that's the case Nobody propelled the biz in the WWF/E except Vinnie Mac. The would be no Shawn Michaels, no Rock, no Stone Cold without Vince's help. If Hogan had not drawn and been as popular as he was, he would not have been pushed over and over again. Hogan would still draw even today, even just to be seen. Just because you don't like him doesn't mean you speak for everyone. Michaels got over because of his talent and hard work. Rock got over because he's a natural born entertainer. Austin got over because he's great on the mic and people loved the hell raising character. Hogan was in the right place at the right time.
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Post by Chester McFisticuffs on Aug 14, 2009 9:10:04 GMT -5
If that's the case Nobody propelled the biz in the WWF/E except Vinnie Mac. The would be no Shawn Michaels, no Rock, no Stone Cold without Vince's help. If Hogan had not drawn and been as popular as he was, he would not have been pushed over and over again. Hogan would still draw even today, even just to be seen. Is there a reason you quoted yourself based on something you just said? If it wasn't for Vince consolidating all the stars of the territories, they would have been just that... stars of the territories. Vince McMahon made wrestling, and had the best group of guys to put wrestling on the map. It just happened that Hogan was the center of it. Hogan made nothing. He got the ball and ran with it. No reason to give the guy a mother ing parade. That said, I buy every WWE DVD. So... I'll buy this. I won't enjoy it, but I'll buy it. If I had to seriously pick something with Hogan on it, I'm still waiting for 'No Holds Barred' on DVD with commentary by Vince and Hogan. Hilarious.
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Post by Patrick Bateman on Aug 14, 2009 10:05:41 GMT -5
If that's the case Nobody propelled the biz in the WWF/E except Vinnie Mac. The would be no Shawn Michaels, no Rock, no Stone Cold without Vince's help. If Hogan had not drawn and been as popular as he was, he would not have been pushed over and over again. Hogan would still draw even today, even just to be seen. Just because you don't like him doesn't mean you speak for everyone. Michaels got over because of his talent and hard work. Rock got over because he's a natural born entertainer. Austin got over because he's great on the mic and people loved the hell raising character. Hogan was in the right place at the right time. Please. Hogan got over because he's a natural born entertainer like the Rock. He was great on the mic and had a lovable character, same as Austin. Hogan's success has nothing to do with him being in "the right place at the right time", because no matter where Hogan was, he was ALWAYS over. WCW, WWE, anywhere. If you want to make a case of someone getting over in the right place at the right time, might as well look at Austin. He was toiling until he got to the WWE, where his talent was finally recognized. And because HHH was being punished for the MSG incident, "Stone Cold" was next in line to win the King of the Ring... and the rest is history. There's a scenario where the stars all lined up at the right time. Besides, Vince didn't create Hulk Hogan. Vince took a guy with a gimmick that was hot in AWA and brought him over, like he did with a lot of guys -- Bobby Heenan, Roddy Piper, etc.
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Post by layton on Aug 14, 2009 10:09:48 GMT -5
Michaels got over because of his talent and hard work. Rock got over because he's a natural born entertainer. Austin got over because he's great on the mic and people loved the hell raising character. Hogan was in the right place at the right time. Please. Hogan got over because he's a natural born entertainer like the Rock. He was great on the mic and had a lovable character, same as Austin. Hogan's success has nothing to do with him being in "the right place at the right time", because no matter where Hogan was, he was ALWAYS over. WCW, WWE, anywhere. If you want to make a case of someone getting over in the right place at the right time, might as well look at Austin. He was toiling until he got to the WWE, where his talent was finally recognized. And because HHH was being punished for the MSG incident, he was next in line to win the King of the Ring... and the rest is history. There's a scenario where the stars all lined up at the right time. Besides, Vince didn't create Hulk Hogan. Vince took a guy with a gimmick that was hot in AWA and brought him over, like he did with a lot of guys -- Bobby Heenan, Roddy Piper, etc. There is a huge difference between a "natural born entertainer" and someone who loves the spotlight.
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Post by Patrick Bateman on Aug 14, 2009 10:27:33 GMT -5
Please. Hogan got over because he's a natural born entertainer like the Rock. He was great on the mic and had a lovable character, same as Austin. Hogan's success has nothing to do with him being in "the right place at the right time", because no matter where Hogan was, he was ALWAYS over. WCW, WWE, anywhere. If you want to make a case of someone getting over in the right place at the right time, might as well look at Austin. He was toiling until he got to the WWE, where his talent was finally recognized. And because HHH was being punished for the MSG incident, he was next in line to win the King of the Ring... and the rest is history. There's a scenario where the stars all lined up at the right time. Besides, Vince didn't create Hulk Hogan. Vince took a guy with a gimmick that was hot in AWA and brought him over, like he did with a lot of guys -- Bobby Heenan, Roddy Piper, etc. There is a huge difference between a "natural born entertainer" and someone who loves the spotlight. And that's why Hulk Hogan's on TV every week on Raw, right? Because he loves the spotlight. Hulk Hogan moved merchandise like Pablo Escobar moved cocaine, and he completely dominated the '80s. To say he wasn't a natural born entertainer (which is a given, he was charismatic as hell, otherwise he wouldn't get over on sub-par wrestling skill alone) is absurd. I don't know what kind of Kool Aid you guys drink down at 30 Rock, but you're wrong here.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Aug 14, 2009 10:28:35 GMT -5
No one needs to show Old Leather Butt any respect. He didn't propel the biz, Vinny Mac did. McMahon took a lumbering, balding bodybuilder with minimal athletic ability and convinced the world that Hogan was something special. That is true genius on Vince's part. Old Leather Butt was just in the right place at the right time. Why anyone would want to buy yet another Hogan DVD, when his matches were among the most homogenized ever, is beyond me. If that's the case Nobody propelled the biz in the WWF/E except Vinnie Mac. The would be no Shawn Michaels, no Rock, no Stone Cold without Vince's help. If Hogan had not drawn and been as popular as he was, he would not have been pushed over and over again. Hogan would still draw even today, even just to be seen. Just because you don't like him doesn't mean you speak for everyone. Michaels, Austin, and Rock were all gifted athletically to varying degrees. It helped get each of them over. They did things in the course of a match that most people can't do. That is one of the main reasons we pay to see wrestlers. Outside of a few bodyslams on big guys, Hogan did nothing in the ring that any healthy male in his 20s or 30s couldn't do. Just because a bunch of marks bought the facade doesn't mean Hogan holds up to scrutiny.
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Post by layton on Aug 14, 2009 10:55:49 GMT -5
There is a huge difference between a "natural born entertainer" and someone who loves the spotlight. And that's why Hulk Hogan's on TV every week on Raw, right? Because he loves the spotlight.
Hulk Hogan moved merchandise like Pablo Escobar moved cocaine, and he completely dominated the '80s. To say he wasn't a natural born entertainer (which is a given, he was charismatic as hell, otherwise he wouldn't get over on sub-par wrestling skill alone) is absurd. I don't know what kind of Kool Aid you guys drink down at 30 Rock, but you're wrong here. Hate to tell you, but RAW isn't the center of the spotlight. Also, selling merchandise doesn't have to do with how great Hogan was. It has to do with how much little kids loved him. Cena sells an amazing amount of merchandise. Do you think he's one of the greatest of all time, or do you think he's just being shoved down our throats? You're biased because you grew up with Hogan, and like kids now are going to think in 15 years, Cena (and in your case, Hogan) was perfect and could do no wrong. He wasn't as good as he was made out to be. He is the 80's equivalent of John Cena--who actually loves the wrestling business and cares for it, like Hogan.
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Post by Patrick Bateman on Aug 14, 2009 11:11:14 GMT -5
And that's why Hulk Hogan's on TV every week on Raw, right? Because he loves the spotlight.
Hulk Hogan moved merchandise like Pablo Escobar moved cocaine, and he completely dominated the '80s. To say he wasn't a natural born entertainer (which is a given, he was charismatic as hell, otherwise he wouldn't get over on sub-par wrestling skill alone) is absurd. I don't know what kind of Kool Aid you guys drink down at 30 Rock, but you're wrong here. Hate to tell you, but RAW isn't the center of the spotlight. Also, selling merchandise doesn't have to do with how great Hogan was. It has to do with how much little kids loved him. Cena sells an amazing amount of merchandise. Do you think he's one of the greatest of all time, or do you think he's just being shoved down our throats? You're biased because you grew up with Hogan, and like kids now are going to think in 15 years, Cena (and in your case, Hogan) was perfect and could do no wrong. He wasn't as good as he was made out to be. He is the 80's equivalent of John Cena--who actually loves the wrestling business and cares for it, like Hogan. I didn't grow up with Hogan, I'm only twenty. But I'm logical enough to give credit where credit is due. And RAW isn't the centre of WWE's spotlight? Tell Vince that, he must've been wrong for a decade now. Aside from pay per view events like WrestleMania or SummerSlam, RAW is the WWE's bread and butter. At one point, Hogan must've cared about the wrestling business enough, enough to endure the gruelling schedule of the '80s and carry the World title for years. Surely, Andre saw something in him or else he could've vetoed jobbing to him at WM3 and changed history all together. Hogan does visit Make-A-Wish charities and is probably the most personable guy you'd ever meet for an autograph. He's great to his fanbase, and is probably the best babyface World Champion the WWE/F ever had. Hogan is far from perfect, he made a ton of mistakes and may have used political power for goals that served his own needs at times, but he made everyone a ton of money, helped cement some rising stars, and helped lift wrestling from smokey arenas where fat hairy dudes were locking up, to an event like WrestleMania. And for that, you're welcome, brother.
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Post by layton on Aug 14, 2009 11:33:03 GMT -5
Hate to tell you, but RAW isn't the center of the spotlight. Also, selling merchandise doesn't have to do with how great Hogan was. It has to do with how much little kids loved him. Cena sells an amazing amount of merchandise. Do you think he's one of the greatest of all time, or do you think he's just being shoved down our throats? You're biased because you grew up with Hogan, and like kids now are going to think in 15 years, Cena (and in your case, Hogan) was perfect and could do no wrong. He wasn't as good as he was made out to be. He is the 80's equivalent of John Cena--who actually loves the wrestling business and cares for it, like Hogan. I didn't grow up with Hogan, I'm only twenty. But I'm logical enough to give credit where credit is due. And RAW isn't the centre of WWE's spotlight? Tell Vince that, he must've been wrong for a decade now. Aside from pay per view events like WrestleMania or SummerSlam, RAW is the WWE's bread and butter. At one point, Hogan must've cared about the wrestling business enough, enough to endure the gruelling schedule of the '80s and carry the World title for years. Surely, Andre saw something in him or else he could've vetoed jobbing to him at WM3 and changed history all together. Hogan does visit Make-A-Wish charities and is probably the most personable guy you'd ever meet for an autograph. He's great to his fanbase, and is probably the best babyface World Champion the WWE/F ever had. Hogan is far from perfect, he made a ton of mistakes and may have used political power for goals that served his own needs at times, but he made everyone a ton of money, helped cement some rising stars, and helped lift wrestling from smokey arenas where fat hairy dudes were locking up, to an event like WrestleMania. And for that, you're welcome, brother. My mistake, my argument earlier was with a 34 year old and it was basically the same thing, so I got you two mixed up. I am all for giving credit where credit is due. I hated the main event scene in the Attitude Era with Austin, The Rock, etc., but I am giving them credit. I really dislike Bret Hart's whining, but I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt because he used to put on incredible matches. My problem with Hogan is not that he didn't do anything for the business, because it's clear he did. My beef is that he's talentless in the ring, and now he doesn't give a crap about wrestling. Hogan in the 80s may be a completely different man, but that fame changed him, and now he's nothing but washed up and craving the spotlight. I will give him credit in that he drew major crowds and main evented some huge shows. Aside from that...I have nothing good to say about the guy. I think wrestling was just getting popular at the time and Hogan was the guy to be in the front for that. If he didn't do it, someone else would have, and I definitely credit Vince for at least half of that. Vince is an incredible mind in the wrestling business, and at the time, wrestling fans weren't as smart, so it was easier to shove someone in our faces. Hogan was the guy he chose to do that. Also, as far as RAW being the spotlight...I meant in the general sense of spotlight and not as far as WWE goes. I agree with the fact that it's WWE's spotlight. I am talking about Hogan Knows Best and his daughter and his divorce and celebrity wrestling, etc., etc., etc.
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Post by Patrick Bateman on Aug 14, 2009 11:56:39 GMT -5
My beef is that he's talentless in the ring, and now he doesn't give a crap about wrestling. The difference being that when Hogan went to overseas to Japan, he could actually work and wrestle. He obviously felt a big boot, a leg drop and a few slams were sufficient enough in the United States, but to call Hogan "talentless" is naive and ignorant, because he was beloved in Japan and maintained some sort of a workrate.
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Post by layton on Aug 14, 2009 12:07:40 GMT -5
My beef is that he's talentless in the ring, and now he doesn't give a crap about wrestling. The difference being that when Hogan went to overseas to Japan, he could actually work and wrestle. He obviously felt a big boot, a leg drop and a few slams were sufficient enough in the United States, but to call Hogan "talentless" is naive and ignorant, because he was beloved in Japan and maintained some sort of a workrate. Here's what that tells me: Hogan only gave as much as he had to. That doesn't exactly speak volumes for him, if he actually did have wrestling skills that he just did showcase because he thought three sorry moves were "sufficient" for the US. Aside from that, I am not impressed by the two STFs Hogan used or anything. That video is a very young Hogan before he turned into what he is today. I am not naive and ignorant. People that believe Hogan is one of the greatest wrestlers of all time are.
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Post by Patrick Bateman on Aug 14, 2009 12:11:04 GMT -5
Here's what that tells me: Hogan only gave as much as he had to. That doesn't exactly speak volumes for him, if he actually did have wrestling skills that he just did showcase because he thought three sorry moves were "sufficient" for the US. Aside from that, I am not impressed by the two STFs Hogan used or anything. That video is a very young Hogan before he turned into what he is today. I am not naive and ignorant. People that believe Hogan is one of the greatest wrestlers of all time are. I didn't post the rest of the match, it's in five parts. I assure you, there's a bit more than STFs going on. I really don't think Inoki would even bother with Hogan if he couldn't work at all. Hogan being "one of the greatest wrestlers of all time" isn't being contested here. The fact that Hogan could display an amount of managable wrestling ability, on top of being an amazing personality/showman, is what it's about here. That and the absurdity of calling the most recognizable pro wrestler in history "talentless".
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Post by gameekus on Aug 14, 2009 12:17:05 GMT -5
i'm not sure what the release of the dvd is for, maybe he's going for another short run in the wwe. i'm not the biggest fan of hogan, but one farewell tour could really work. it could attract more viewers and if hogan is working against newer talent, that could expose all these guys to a variety of people that are watching.
my only complaint is that doing it through a dvd has been done many times before and it'd be cool to see something new.
and of course maybe it's vince simply trying to make some more money? i'm not really in the know with the whole business yet, but i think that's essentially what's coming out of this no matter what happens.
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