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Post by Nivro™ on Mar 26, 2013 0:04:58 GMT -5
Quite a long video but excellent nonetheless. Nothing that most of us probably haven't seen or didn't know but honestly, I wonder if any of us, either then or now, sit back and realize just what Flair accomplished at the 1992 Royal Rumble? Before leaving the NWA/WCW, he was the recognized WCW World Champion, recognized NWA World Champion and yet while he was stripped of the titles, he was never officially beaten for them. Then, less then a year later, Flair goes on to win the WWF Title. Thus holding all the major World Championships without ever being defeated for any of them. He's really our generations first true Undisputed Champion.
Anyway, I really dug the video and figured some people here might like it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2013 6:40:42 GMT -5
that was great-thanks for posting man!!
and yes it was incredible what Flair accomplished in the period between WMVII and VIII.hsi victory in the RR is STILL one of the most impressive.it was great booking.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2013 7:03:13 GMT -5
I think letting Flair win the rumble was a mistake. They had WCWs guy come in and win the rumble over all the WWF guys, and he did it from #3. Plus he only ever had like 3 good matches in his entire WWF run and that was because he was against Bret, Perfect and Savage.
Still to this day I cannot fathom how Flair has any kind of popularity among fans, or how he is considered good.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Mar 26, 2013 17:01:58 GMT -5
I think letting Flair win the rumble was a mistake. They had WCWs guy come in and win the rumble over all the WWF guys, and he did it from #3. Plus he only ever had like 3 good matches in his entire WWF run and that was because he was against Bret, Perfect and Savage. I think otherwise. Ric Flair winning the Royal Rumble is one of the most memorable moments in 'Rumble history. One must take into consideration that McMahon wanted Flair to jump ship years before the WWF acquired him in 1991. The reason why Flair didn't have memorable matches because 1) he wasn't in the company for long, and 2) he looked out of place in the WWF. Flair 1991-1993 run provided a change of pace at that time. Since I am a big Flair fan, he provided us with a memorable 'Rumble moment, shock value, and something different to the landscape of the WWF. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2013 17:29:01 GMT -5
I think letting Flair win the rumble was a mistake. They had WCWs guy come in and win the rumble over all the WWF guys, and he did it from #3. Plus he only ever had like 3 good matches in his entire WWF run and that was because he was against Bret, Perfect and Savage. I think otherwise. Ric Flair winning the Royal Rumble is one of the most memorable moments in 'Rumble history. One must take into consideration that McMahon wanted Flair to jump ship years before the WWF acquired him in 1991. The reason why Flair didn't have memorable matches because 1) he wasn't in the company for long, and 2) he looked out of place in the WWF. Flair 1991-1993 run provided a change of pace at that time. Since I am a big Flair fan, he provided us with a memorable 'Rumble moment, shock value, and something different to the landscape of the WWF. That "shock value" could have very easily been achieved with many of the other people that they had on the roster. |
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Post by Nivro™ on Mar 26, 2013 17:53:17 GMT -5
I think otherwise. Ric Flair winning the Royal Rumble is one of the most memorable moments in 'Rumble history. One must take into consideration that McMahon wanted Flair to jump ship years before the WWF acquired him in 1991. The reason why Flair didn't have memorable matches because 1) he wasn't in the company for long, and 2) he looked out of place in the WWF. Flair 1991-1993 run provided a change of pace at that time. Since I am a big Flair fan, he provided us with a memorable 'Rumble moment, shock value, and something different to the landscape of the WWF. lol, like who? Bret Hart had yet to prove he could be in the main event and sell a show (He didnt prove it until SummerSlam '92 and one could argue Bulldog being in his home country sold that main event more). Shawn Michaels JUST started a singles run, of course people didnt take him legit until he got into the ring with Flair on Superstars and showed he could hang with a future Legend. Savage hadn't done anything in over a year, no shock value there. More of a "WTF" value if he won the title. Hogan or Sid would have been expected seeing as how they were the top two baby faces. Simple fact is, throughout the 80s the NWA title was seen as "THE Champion" and now the NWA Champion was in WWE to fight the big 6'7'' 303lbs steroid monster known as Hulk Hogan and he won the WWF Title. We all know you're in the minority here with the anti Flair, Flair never was anything good blah blah blah stuff but fact is, Flair IS a legend, Flair IS a Hall of Famer, Flair IS one of the Greatest wrestlers of all time and for those of us that are old enough to remember wrestling before it became "cool" in the Attitude Era, what Flair did from 91-93 is one of the most legendary runs in all of wrestling history. |
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Post by mikey1974 on Mar 26, 2013 18:18:57 GMT -5
That "shock value" could have very easily been achieved with many of the other people that they had on the roster. lol, like who? Bret Hart had yet to prove he could be in the main event and sell a show (He didnt prove it until SummerSlam '92 and one could argue Bulldog being in his home country sold that main event more). Shawn Michaels JUST started a singles run, of course people didnt take him legit until he got into the ring with Flair on Superstars and showed he could hang with a future Legend. Savage hadn't done anything in over a year, no shock value there. More of a "WTF" value if he won the title. Hogan or Sid would have been expected seeing as how they were the top two baby faces. Simple fact is, throughout the 80s the NWA title was seen as "THE Champion" and now the NWA Champion was in WWE to fight the big 6'7'' 303lbs steroid monster known as Hulk Hogan and he won the WWF Title. We all know you're in the minority here with the anti Flair, Flair never was anything good blah blah blah stuff but fact is, Flair IS a legend, Flair IS a Hall of Famer, Flair IS one of the Greatest wrestlers of all time and for those of us that are old enough to remember wrestling before it became "cool" in the Attitude Era, what Flair did from 91-93 is one of the most legendary runs in all of wrestling history. agree with all this Nivro. Flair winning the Rumble -and the title - was a huge mark-out moment for not only me but also millions of wrestling fans all over the world. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2013 22:11:50 GMT -5
I think letting Flair win the rumble was a mistake. They had WCWs guy come in and win the rumble over all the WWF guys, and he did it from #3. Plus he only ever had like 3 good matches in his entire WWF run and that was because he was against Bret, Perfect and Savage. Still to this day I cannot fathom how Flair has any kind of popularity among fans, or how he is considered good. I disagree completely.letting him win was excellent booking. they had a plan for Hogan and Sid(that backfired HUGE)so they were out......there was nobody else there credible to carry the strap to WM. and hell yes Vinnie was after Flair since 87.only reason Flair didnt jump and debut at Summerslam 88 was Turner personally LOVING Flair and the fact they brought Steamboat in to work with him. other than that he was bound for the WWF. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2013 23:39:23 GMT -5
That "shock value" could have very easily been achieved with many of the other people that they had on the roster. lol, like who? Bret Hart had yet to prove he could be in the main event and sell a show (He didnt prove it until SummerSlam '92 and one could argue Bulldog being in his home country sold that main event more). Shawn Michaels JUST started a singles run, of course people didnt take him legit until he got into the ring with Flair on Superstars and showed he could hang with a future Legend. Savage hadn't done anything in over a year, no shock value there. More of a "WTF" value if he won the title. Hogan or Sid would have been expected seeing as how they were the top two baby faces. Simple fact is, throughout the 80s the NWA title was seen as "THE Champion" and now the NWA Champion was in WWE to fight the big 6'7'' 303lbs steroid monster known as Hulk Hogan and he won the WWF Title. We all know you're in the minority here with the anti Flair, Flair never was anything good blah blah blah stuff but fact is, Flair IS a legend, Flair IS a Hall of Famer, Flair IS one of the Greatest wrestlers of all time and for those of us that are old enough to remember wrestling before it became "cool" in the Attitude Era, what Flair did from 91-93 is one of the most legendary runs in all of wrestling history. Great post Nivro, agree 100%. I recently rewatched the '92 Rumble, and Flair's performance was amazing. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2013 3:42:11 GMT -5
I think letting Flair win the rumble was a mistake. They had WCWs guy come in and win the rumble over all the WWF guys, and he did it from #3. Plus he only ever had like 3 good matches in his entire WWF run and that was because he was against Bret, Perfect and Savage. Still to this day I cannot fathom how Flair has any kind of popularity among fans, or how he is considered good. I disagree completely.letting him win was excellent booking. they had a plan for Hogan and Sid(that backfired HUGE)so they were out......there was nobody else there credible to carry the strap to WM. and hell yes Vinnie was after Flair since 87.only reason Flair didnt jump and debut at Summerslam 88 was Turner personally LOVING Flair and the fact they brought Steamboat in to work with him. other than that he was bound for the WWF. The original plan WAS for Hogan/Flair at WM though. That kind of backfired though (according to Bret) when Vince saw how little the crowd cared about their matches at house shows, and they were apparently very bad. That "shock value" could have very easily been achieved with many of the other people that they had on the roster. lol, like who? Bret Hart had yet to prove he could be in the main event and sell a show (He didnt prove it until SummerSlam '92 and one could argue Bulldog being in his home country sold that main event more). Shawn Michaels JUST started a singles run, of course people didnt take him legit until he got into the ring with Flair on Superstars and showed he could hang with a future Legend. Savage hadn't done anything in over a year, no shock value there. More of a "WTF" value if he won the title. Hogan or Sid would have been expected seeing as how they were the top two baby faces. Simple fact is, throughout the 80s the NWA title was seen as "THE Champion" and now the NWA Champion was in WWE to fight the big 6'7'' 303lbs steroid monster known as Hulk Hogan and he won the WWF Title. We all know you're in the minority here with the anti Flair, Flair never was anything good blah blah blah stuff but fact is, Flair IS a legend, Flair IS a Hall of Famer, Flair IS one of the Greatest wrestlers of all time and for those of us that are old enough to remember wrestling before it became "cool" in the Attitude Era, what Flair did from 91-93 is one of the most legendary runs in all of wrestling history. That's fair enough. I've never disputed that Flair didn't draw. I still think there are plenty of guys in that rumble that could have won the title, Piper or Jake both had what it took to be champ even in 92. I know Piper was IC champ at the time but obviously he was above that title. Hell even Bulldog was over enough to have won it. I recall the crowd letting out a sigh of disappointment when he got eliminated. Honestly I'm not even that bothered that Flair won, it made for some great Heenan commentary. |
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Post by Nivro™ on Mar 27, 2013 9:22:28 GMT -5
I know you dont want to but watch the video i posted....or at least fast forward it to get to the footage of the two house shows. hogan vs flair was red hot. they werent even in wwe or nwa wrestling towns either. both matches were in cali. even their msg match was over as hell. im more convinced what ruined the angle was the loss of using big gold belt and hogan wanting to leave. flair keeps his belt, wins the rumble. hogan retains over taker and it sets up champion vs champion on the biggest stage. thats pure money.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2013 19:46:13 GMT -5
I know Hogan vs Flair was the original plan......but Vince was counting on Sid not reinforcing his ME clause-which he did. and NO way was Hogan working in the semi main event to accomodate Sid......so Hogan vs Flair was scrapped and Hogan vs Sid was on.then Sid as leaving etc etc-it was a collossal mess.
it backfired because the crowd was pro Sid.the crowd at RR92 loudly booed Hogan for eliminating him.
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Post by Nivro™ on Mar 27, 2013 20:45:14 GMT -5
I know Hogan vs Flair was the original plan......but Vince was counting on Sid not reinforcing his ME clause-which he did. and NO way was Hogan working in the semi main event to accomodate Sid......so Hogan vs Flair was scrapped and Hogan vs Sid was on.then Sid as leaving etc etc-it was a collossal mess. it backfired because the crowd was pro Sid.the crowd at RR92 loudly booed Hogan for eliminating him. Was it ever factually proven that Sid had a main event clause? I know it was one of the many rumors as to why the match never happened but I dont recall anything ever being proven. |
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Mar 27, 2013 20:56:26 GMT -5
Tell me this...when Flair debuted in WWE on primetime, who actually watched it and remembered it? Who actually noticed or cared when he left after loosing to curt hennig? Im talking about the casual/average wrestling fan at that time....the truth was he in and out like a flash and no one really cared other than the ones who grew up watching him which on a global scale was a minority. When i look back on youtube and see the stuff i missed, ill admit i got a laugh or two from his promos. His matches were nothing special, ive got the ric flair ultimate dvd set, theres some good matches but hell there all the same lol. Each to their own, but many fans from that era concerning to WWE/WWF never really cared when Flair came to the WWE or left.
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Post by Nivro™ on Mar 27, 2013 23:02:43 GMT -5
Tell me this...when Flair debuted in WWE on primetime, who actually watched it and remembered it? Who actually noticed or cared when he left after loosing to curt hennig? Im talking about the casual/average wrestling fan at that time.... the truth was he in and out like a flash and no one really cared other than the ones who grew up watching him which on a global scale was a minority. When i look back on youtube and see the stuff i missed, ill admit i got a laugh or two from his promos. His matches were nothing special, ive got the ric flair ultimate dvd set, theres some good matches but hell there all the same lol. Each to their own, but many fans from that era concerning to WWE/WWF never really cared when Flair came to the WWE or left. How can you say that "nobody cared" when you just admitted that you didnt watch? The fact of the matter is that people DID watch it. At the time it was a HUGE deal. I will admit though Flair's departure wasnt nearly as big as his debut. By then people realized that were werent getting Hogan-Flair and he had been taken out of the main event scene for a month now. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2013 17:21:24 GMT -5
I remember Heenan and the belt VIVIDLY.I dont remember his departure at all.
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Post by Flair Forever on Mar 30, 2013 20:34:28 GMT -5
I think letting Flair win the rumble was a mistake. They had WCWs guy come in and win the rumble over all the WWF guys, and he did it from #3. Plus he only ever had like 3 good matches in his entire WWF run and that was because he was against Bret, Perfect and Savage. Still to this day I cannot fathom how Flair has any kind of popularity among fans, or how he is considered good. I must respectfully disagree - this was the match that made me love wrestling. The 1992 Royal Rumble literally had everything - big names, great wrestlers, drama, comedy (Heenan), old rivalries revisited (Flair/Piper), current rivalries developed (Savage/Jake), new ones began (Hogan/Sid). No one had ever lasted that long in a Royal Rumble, so it was a classic underdog story - and also cemented Flair as wrestling's iron man. 30 of wrestlings biggest stars of the time battling for the greatest prize - the WWF World Championship. And it felt important.... like just getting a spot in the match was a privilege. These are all things that are missing from wrestling today... It's my favorite match of all time. |
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Post by mikey1974 on Mar 30, 2013 22:06:44 GMT -5
I remember Heenan and the belt VIVIDLY.I dont remember his departure at all. yep, I remember that distinctly! one of the truly most awesome "Holy S#$t!" moments in wrestling history. and they did it perfectly too,right at the end of Superstars (or Wrestling Challenge - I forget which) with Heenan standing there with the Belt,and uttering the name of Ric Flair. and ending the show like that left the wrestling fans wanting MORE! because in the pre-internet age,we had no where to go to find out what was happening. we agonizingly had to wait until the next WWF show to find out what the hell was going on. |
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Post by Zigzag on Mar 30, 2013 22:17:52 GMT -5
Quite a long video but excellent nonetheless. Nothing that most of us probably haven't seen or didn't know but honestly, I wonder if any of us, either then or now, sit back and realize just what Flair accomplished at the 1992 Royal Rumble? Before leaving the NWA/WCW, he was the recognized WCW World Champion, recognized NWA World Champion and yet while he was stripped of the titles, he was never officially beaten for them. Then, less then a year later, Flair goes on to win the WWF Title. Thus holding all the major World Championships without ever being defeated for any of them. He's really our generations first true Undisputed Champion. Anyway, I really dug the video and figured some people here might like it. I'm probably one of the biggest Ric Flair marks ever, but tell me, how do you figure he "wasn't ever defeated" for the WWF title? He lost to Savage by pinfall at WM 8, and lost the title again to Bret Hart in Saskatoon, by submission. Did you just mean the NWA and WCW titles? |
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Post by Brad on Apr 12, 2013 14:12:50 GMT -5
I'm watching this now. Thanks for bringing it to the light! It's a good watch so far. I love how everything is put in order telling the story. Gets me pumped even now despite it being 20+ years ago.
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