Kick Your Face
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Post by Kick Your Face on Jul 6, 2008 21:53:10 GMT -5
Now stop and read this before you think this sounds completely stupid. Not referring to prime Misawa, but rather current Misawa. Prime Misawa gets much deserves praise. But current Misawa is often referred to as basically sucking now days. I've heard it from plenty of people. He's actually really good for his age and can still pull out some good matches. I never refer to him as the best anymore or anything. But he's really not as bad as people make him out to be. He's 46 years old and still takes some killer bumps. His 3/2/08 match against Morishima proves that he can still go. What do you guys think?
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jul 6, 2008 22:22:40 GMT -5
Now stop and read this before you think this sounds completely stupid. Not referring to prime Misawa, but rather current Misawa. Prime Misawa gets much deserves praise. But current Misawa is often referred to as basically sucking now days. I've heard it from plenty of people. He's actually really good for his age and can still pull out some good matches. I never refer to him as the best anymore or anything. But he's really not as bad as people make him out to be. He's 46 years old and still takes some killer bumps. His 3/2/08 match against Morishima proves that he can still go. What do you guys think? I've never heard anyone really put down his ability these days. So I dont know what to say. |
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Post by the franchise on Jul 6, 2008 22:50:55 GMT -5
I think it depends on the match whether or not Misawa delivers now. In a singles or tag match I expect him to deliver big. In some random six man tag I don't expect as much from him.
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Post by James Hetfield on Jul 7, 2008 1:16:20 GMT -5
His matches are only good few and far between.
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Post by HHH316 on Jul 7, 2008 1:58:43 GMT -5
I kinda know what you mean. I remember a lot of people talking about when Misawa was coming to ROH that his best days were behind him, & most people will probably just pop for him when he pulls back up his trunks.
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Post by OmegaGaijin on Jul 7, 2008 7:37:24 GMT -5
i can see where your coming from,but being 46 doesnt matter as much now adays,wrestlers and other athletes are going for longer and longer as nutrition and technolgy increase,look at sting for an example,he is still extremely fit(and older than misawa),can jump higher than somebody on a trampoline and is quicker than a hick up. misawa still has years to go and looked good in his match in england the other week there,he has plenty of world class performances to come imo
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Post by Heresy on Jul 7, 2008 11:01:05 GMT -5
i can see where your coming from,but being 46 doesnt matter as much now adays,wrestlers and other athletes are going for longer and longer as nutrition and technolgy increase,look at sting for an example,he is still extremely fit(and older than misawa),can jump higher than somebody on a trampoline and is quicker than a hick up. Have we been watching the same Sting? Can't comment on Misawa's early career but his ROH matches were pretty underwhelming... than again I don't understand the hype for Go so it must be an acquired taste. |
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Nathan
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Post by Nathan on Jul 15, 2008 22:57:14 GMT -5
I've been a fair detractor of current Misawa in the past, but man, his early stuff is worth going out of your way to watch. Check out his stuff as Tiger Mask II and you'll find not the plodding, chopping, forearming Misawa...but this awesome high flying reckless guy.
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Post by Swarm on Jul 16, 2008 9:12:15 GMT -5
I've been a fair detractor of current Misawa in the past, but man, his early stuff is worth going out of your way to watch. Check out his stuff as Tiger Mask II and you'll find not the plodding, chopping, forearming Misawa...but this awesome high flying reckless guy. Yeah, who wants silly things like psychology, ring work, or logic? Go high spots! ... But I dunno man, truth be told I can't think of a Misawa match from the past few years that's really been great or anything. Of course ultimately you have to realize that he has two things working against him. 1. To many true Japanese wrestling fans, he's the greatest wrestler of all time, maybe second only to Jumbo. AJPW in the 90s was revolutionary for the sport and style of Japan wrestling, and Misawa was a huge part of that. So on that level he's got a lot to live up to. 2. Also, keep in mind the punishment he took in his prime. It's like, Ric Flair wrestled for 37 years or whatever it was because his style was a lot safer and more paced. Misawa along with Kobashi, Kawada, Taue, and so on put his body through a tremendous amount of abuse in some of the best matches of all time. Hell even going not so far back to the Kobashi/Misawa GHC Title match where they just both took ridiculous bumps and it gives you an idea why the guy might not hold up as well as a Flair or whoever. |
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Post by James Hetfield on Jul 16, 2008 9:29:37 GMT -5
Yeah but comparing Flair's career to Misawa's career is dumb because Misawa, along with every other Japanese guy does not work 90% of the days out of the year.
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Post by Swarm on Jul 17, 2008 3:32:03 GMT -5
Yeah but comparing Flair's career to Misawa's career is dumb because Misawa, along with every other Japanese guy does not work 90% of the days out of the year. I'd agree now but the tour schedule in the early 90s was pretty rigorous. I agree not nearly as tough as, say, Flair in the 80s but again I bring up the stylistic difference. Japan in the 90s was definitely a lot more physical and demanding than America in the 80s. Not to say one style is better than the other, since that's really a whole other, more subjective argument, but you compare Flair/Sting to something like Misawa/Kobashi and there's definitely a significant difference in the way those matches are worked. But again, I see your point and I agree Flair definitely worked more matches in a decade than Misawa has probably ever worked in his career, but Flair's matches were definitely more paced and less risky than the stuff Misawa was doing in his prime. |
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Post by James Hetfield on Jul 17, 2008 9:14:20 GMT -5
AJPW in the 90s was pretty much the same as NOAH is now. Not every single night on every single tour did Misawa have crazy head-drop type matches. He mostly had single matches once or twice every tour usually, except if it was like a Champion Carnival or something. The tag matches were a lot more easier for the most part depending on who the match had and how it was worked.
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Post by AP on Jul 17, 2008 9:29:09 GMT -5
How does being able to take "killer bumps" make you good? or good for your age?
I can give my dad a backdrop drivaaah, and he WILL take a killer bump, so hes good? at least for his age?
Im not trying to start some fight but i dont get what taking killer bumps do to make you good no matter what your age.
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Post by James Hetfield on Jul 17, 2008 9:43:54 GMT -5
Your dad would probably die.
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Post by AP on Jul 17, 2008 9:46:05 GMT -5
hes tough  |
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Daz
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Post by Daz on Jul 17, 2008 20:29:58 GMT -5
misawa works well when he wants to work well. otherwise it seems he's to pre-occupied adjusting his damn tights.
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